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    Senior Member HackAsaw's Avatar
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    You truly are confusing quality with sex

    Porous die cast cases and cover of softer alloys that seep oil and do well to hold a coarse thread.... much less the retarded fine threads the more astute and learned asians never attempted

    Well they polish beautifully and very easily!

    Please.... the sexless OIF was the first decent frame ever built by the brits

    from a technical standpoint, yet it....

    just like the very sexy featherbed has blatant design errors very seldom found on the superior, but much less sexy asian frames

    you are only showing your ignorance and perhaps bias....

    Therefore I must take my own sage advice and stop trying to teach a pig to sing because it does waste my time while only annoying the pig!

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    I strongly recommend you read

    Whatever Happened To The British Motorcycle Industry


    Its a good read.

    I'd also recommend getting schooled on frame design and how long Mr Honda and others had actually been building bikes....

    And how easily they started with a clean sheet of paper

    Showed up next year with amazing flawless exotica at the track

    ...5 cyl 125cc inlines

    6 cyl 250cc inlines

    amazing multivalve OHC engines that made the stodgy tea sipping shot callers heads swim...

    and truly stop confusing sex for quality

    When you think a cast lug furnace (an open wood fire actually) brazed frame is superior to those sloppy welded frames that seldom broke

    well I'd recommend refraining from frame design and building if I were you
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    I strongly recommend you read

    Whatever Happened To The British Motorcycle Industry


    Its a good read.

    I'd also recommend getting schooled on frame design and how long Mr Honda and others had actually been building bikes....

    And how easily they started with a clean sheet of paper

    Showed up next year with amazing flawless exotica at the track

    ...5 cyl 125cc inlines

    6 cyl 250cc inlines

    amazing multivalve OHC engines that made the stodgy tea sipping shot callers heads swim...

    and truly stop confusing sex for quality

    When you think a cast lug furnace (an open wood fire actually) brazed frame is superior to those sloppy welded frames that seldom broke

    well I'd recommend refraining from frame design and building if I were you
    Accidental inventor of the worlds fastest wearing rocker arms and other edible engine parts! Try my yummy blue cheese camshafts!

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    HackA,
    The 74 BSA T65 was a rebadged Triumph in an OIF. So technically, there was a post 73 BSA 650. I believe the teaching a pig to sing quote should be attributed to Lazarus Long (Robert A. Heinlein), but still a good quote that I use on occasion, myself. Furthermore, how can one confuse quality with sex appeal of a part? Appeal is part of the quality, it is simply another attribute of a design.

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    HackA,
    The 74 BSA T65 was a rebadged Triumph in an OIF. So technically, there was a post 73 BSA 650. I believe the teaching a pig to sing quote should be attributed to Lazarus Long (Robert A. Heinlein), but still a good quote that I use on occasion, myself. Furthermore, how can one confuse quality with sex appeal of a part? Appeal is part of the quality, it is simply another attribute of a design.

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    quote:Originally posted by kenessex

    ...Appeal is part of the [Q]uality...

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    The Romantic part. The Classical part, though, if it functions poorly, is lacking.

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    quote:Originally posted by kenessex

    ...Appeal is part of the [Q]uality...

    Ken
    The Romantic part. The Classical part, though, if it functions poorly, is lacking.

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    Touche Ken AND Spacman....

    However..... BSA was teats up due hugely to poor quality.... sex appeal couldn't compensate for an archaic bottom end design the asians had the good sense to not replicate.

    So this T65, one of which I've never seen or heard run may as well been a rebadged 1974 Crocker for all practical purposes and I doubt it's quality was any better than the wheezing 1973's that rolled off the line nothing more than a sloppy kit bike for a wise builder to season, completely blueprint afterwards

    and then correct all the stupidity the many years of zero engineering, stubborn willfulness to [refuse] address[ing] the end consumers application.... as well as the shoddy sloppy crap that broke with predictable reliability


    well you can/could make good machines out of them

    it just aint easy or cheap

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    Touche Ken AND Spacman....

    However..... BSA was teats up due hugely to poor quality.... sex appeal couldn't compensate for an archaic bottom end design the asians had the good sense to not replicate.

    So this T65, one of which I've never seen or heard run may as well been a rebadged 1974 Crocker for all practical purposes and I doubt it's quality was any better than the wheezing 1973's that rolled off the line nothing more than a sloppy kit bike for a wise builder to season, completely blueprint afterwards

    and then correct all the stupidity the many years of zero engineering, stubborn willfulness to [refuse] address[ing] the end consumers application.... as well as the shoddy sloppy crap that broke with predictable reliability


    well you can/could make good machines out of them

    it just aint easy or cheap

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    First of all, you can't even begin to discuss motorcycles, discounting the sex appeal factor. Sex is the primary reason you bought your first motorcycle (or else you were dead already, or a liar)... you either bought it to get sex, or in lieu of getting sex...

    There's a reason British motorcycle industry was once held as the world standard, that being, when they worked properly, those bikes had no peer. While the metallurgy may have been less than perfect, the machining may have been (by the mid seventies... hell, by the mid 50s) sub-standard, and the basic engineering of the engines may have been decades out of date... you can't argue with the fact that Triumphs were winning races well into the 1970s.

    Read, friend... I never once said Triumph, BSA, Norton made a better machine, nor did I say they were less expensive. Look at it this way... my 4D Maglite doesn't put out better light when I'm camping, than my made in China Ray-O-vac... but it certainly feels a lot better in my hand, and when discussing something which elicits as much emotional appeal as a motorcycle, sometimes how it feels in my hand is enough (ok, yeah... spare me that bit of commentary... how it feels in my hand...


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