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    Great post Geet!
    Aging fart on a soon to be antique. 86 GSXR750, 883 Cosworth kit, head milled .015, 5 angle valve job, Yosh Stg 2 cams and spring kit, Extrudehone porting, Mikuni RS38s, Hindle exhaust, Falicon crank work, Carrillo rods, 17\" Dymag wheels, EBC rotors and pads, SS lines, Ohlins shock, \"Ti\" rear spring, Raceteched forks, 127 rwhp, 10.82 @ 130.7 in the 1/4. Not the bestest or fastest, but pretty frikkin tough.

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    quote:Originally posted by Geeto67

    Real advice? OK.....

    1) stop talking about culture, scene, etc.....That is just a bunch of shit people who have magazines, tv shows, clothing lines use to exploit you into buying a lifestyle that has nothing to do with bikes. Seriously. I understand your enthusiasm but knock it off it makes you sound lame. So does using the word "Cafe" and phrases like "sweet cafe". ick.

    2) most of the beginner stuff has already been covered so I'll just hit a few points: The older the bike is the more you are going to have to work on it and the more challenging the projects when it stops running. If you are not up to the task then stick to something from the 90's or newer. Also The more plastic a bike has the more expensive it is to repair after you drop it, and you will drop it. I am not saying you will crash, but pushing it around (like into a parking space), or parking it with the kickstand directly on hot asphalt in the summer (bike sinks in and falls over), or even forgetting to put your feet down at a stop light. It happens.

    3) The best riders come from dirt. why? because on dirt you have to be "rider active" instead of "rider passive". Too many newbies get on their beginner bikes and get locked into position, thinking the bike will just carry them like a sack of potatoes. Your weight it a tool in learning how to ride and nothing forces yout o move around on a bike more than trying to go fast off road. To this end I have to agree a dual sport might be the best beginner bike for you - hardly any plastics, you can get all sorts of crash bars, and ride on road and off road. KLR, XL600 honda, DR350 or DR500, these are what you should look for. That isn't to say you can't learn to be rider active on a street bike, but the opportunities to throw your weight around are less, and it is much easier to get in over your head and get hurt.

    4) your needs for the bike determine how you mod things. yes "cafe racers" came from the 60's but it didn't die there - in fact it didn't really fall out of fashion until the early 1990s when the first true sport bikes finally became affordable on the used market. The "movement" came from us modifying our bikes because we wanted to go fast and all we could afford were crappy 70's jap bikes. That isn't the case anymore as 60's and 70's japanese bikes are no longer cheap-ish (some are). IT wasn't a looks driven scenario, we wanted roadracers for the street and so we built them, now you can go in and buy a zx10 and get exactly that. most of us still dick with old bikes because now it is what we are comfortable with, and we have had decades of our lives wrapped up in that riding experience, but a lot of us own new bikes too, touring rigs, etc.....point it even tho they are fun a bike is still a tool and you need to have the right tool for the job.
    i agree, starting young riding on dirt was the best thing i've ever done.

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    +1 on dirt

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    Most of the great modern racers come from dirt racing as well. Rayborn, Hayden, Springsteen, Mann, all were flat track racers.
    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.
    - Samuel Beckett
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    I knew he was in for a treat when I saw this post....Geeto your advice is always helpful

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    I didn't really have any dirt experience. I know I would have benefitted. I did get my "active" training on my bicycle, and more importantly my dad's snowmobiles. We had two Ski-Doo Olympiques, a 70 335, and a 71 399. I was on the 335. That machine was extremely tippy, and as a wimpy preteen, I was actively throwing what weight I had around on that thing just to keep it on the trail. A full on balls out cornering posture, was almost most identical to the kind of hang off you'd do on an old GS750. On tight twisty one lane trails, it was an almost constant shifting from one side to the other. On good days you could fly down a trail with some manner of grace. On bad days, you might glance off a tree trunk, or bury yourself off the trail. Not the same as dirt riding, but there was a very similar sense of managing the "looseness". When I started riding in 76, the hang off style of riding was rapidly gaining popularity in racing circles, so I was psyched to try it, as it was a blast on the sled.
    There was a bit of adjusting to do to get it down. Those two wheels just love to wiggle around if you hang off at the wrong time, don't they. This still comes back to Geet's active vs passive attitudes in riding. The things sure as hell ain't cars.
    Aging fart on a soon to be antique. 86 GSXR750, 883 Cosworth kit, head milled .015, 5 angle valve job, Yosh Stg 2 cams and spring kit, Extrudehone porting, Mikuni RS38s, Hindle exhaust, Falicon crank work, Carrillo rods, 17\" Dymag wheels, EBC rotors and pads, SS lines, Ohlins shock, \"Ti\" rear spring, Raceteched forks, 127 rwhp, 10.82 @ 130.7 in the 1/4. Not the bestest or fastest, but pretty frikkin tough.

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    Thanks for the info geeto. I live in a rural area with plenty of trails to ride on, so I'm on the hunt for a good used dual sport.

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    Hey look @this; http://waterloo.craigslist.org/mcy/2514762168.html

    perfect

    Yes I get that Iowa's too far for you to drive. It's an EXAMPLE of what you should be looking for. Like sasquatches(sasqui) if there's one in my area chances are there's one in yours. Actually I think you would be much more likely to have a breeding population. They use power lines for highways so as to not get lost in the dark.

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    The posting has been deleted, what was it?

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    @ GeeTo yet another killer post First a nice "Sure I'll help you..." post. cracked me up.. fricking great then the follow up with the truth and SOLID advice to keep this new rider safe and welcome.
    \"Why no officer, I did not know that ?\"

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