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    I wonder if this means more money for AMA racing. And it would be nice if they took some of that MotoGP money and upped the contingency payouts at WSMC, WERA, AFM, etc. That would stimulate sales and interest.

    Let's face it, MotoGP is hugely expensive, and with the Japanese economy in the dumps for 10 years or more, plus the world economy freezing up the last 3 or 4 years, how could you make a business case for continuing to race bikes that are nothing like what you sell? F1 and MotoGP are where companies go to show-off just how smart their engineers are and how much money they can spend to prove it. Seems a bit silly in a time when their customers are more concerned with keeping their own jobs. It is one thing for Ferrari or Ducati: their 1%er clients are still spending, but not too many millionaires buy Suzukis.
    I expect that it won't be too long before we hear Yamaha make a similar announcement........

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    Really?

    I don't disagree about the point of detachment between products on showrooms and motogp but this might also have something to do with it (and why Yamaha probably will not have same pressure to retire)

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    What do trophies and championships from years ago have to do with the business case for continuing in prototype racing? Sochiro Honda, Enzo Ferrari and there sort are long gone, these companies are run by businessmen, not racers. The passion for motorsport that drove them is totally lacking today. In these times, if you cannot convince the bean counters that racing increases profits then there will be no money for racing.

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    quote:Originally posted by Westfield11

    What do trophies and championships from years ago have to do with the business case for continuing in prototype racing? Sochiro Honda, Enzo Ferrari and there sort are long gone, these companies are run by businessmen, not racers. The passion for motorsport that drove them is totally lacking today. In these times, if you cannot convince the bean counters that racing increases profits then there will be no money for racing.
    Pedigree. Heritage. Those things build future buyers. What kid didn't sit around and dream of Hondas and Ferarris?

    There will ALWAYS be people who live for racing and driven to be the fastest (I'm referring to the Ron Dennis' and Luca Montazemolas). Yes, they are businessmen, just as much as Sochiro Honda and Enzo Ferrari were.

    Moto GP and F1 have been through "recessions" before and will endure this one, as will the other teams who are in it.

    Suzuki is out for now. They'll be back.

    Every design that goes into those machines eventually makes it to the street. Remember, they develop technology and the SELL that technology.
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    I read a while back about Honda and BMW leaving F1 because of the costs. It basically said the amount of cars an affordable company has to sell to offset the F1 budget is insane, and no one buys an accord because Honda is in F1. Where as Ferrari relies on its F1 prowess to sell its cars, and they don't need to sell very many to pay the F1 budget. Suzuki will sell bikes whether or not they are in GP, better to make cuts in that department than close down factories.

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    quote:Originally posted by mickey356



    Every design that goes into those machines eventually makes it to the street.
    That's the key. And that's why MotoGP always should be pushing the boundaries of prototype design and performance - so street bikes get better (and therefore sell more than last years model).

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    quote:Originally posted by muskies666

    I read a while back about Honda and BMW leaving F1 because of the costs. It basically said the amount of cars an affordable company has to sell to offset the F1 budget is insane, and no one buys an accord because Honda is in F1.
    No. No one does buy an Accord for that reason. However, like hilly said about "better than last years model"; F1 & GP are R&D labs and that makes it's way into cars in some fashion. Whether it comes from someone elses tech development or not doesn't really matter, I guess. If you're not creating it you'll just have to buy it from those who are.
    Keep in mind, the ECU tech alone is HUGE, as well as aero, things like KERS, etc... ALL that makes it's way down to street cars and bikes eventually.
    They think an F1 budget is big? F1 (and I assume GP) teams get paid. The higher they finish the more they get paid. Honda & BMW can more than foot the bill. They got out of F1 because they weren't winning and that made them look bad. That costs money too!
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    quote:Originally posted by Westfield11

    What do trophies and championships from years ago have to do with the business case for continuing in prototype racing? Sochiro Honda, Enzo Ferrari and there sort are long gone, these companies are run by businessmen, not racers. The passion for motorsport that drove them is totally lacking today. In these times, if you cannot convince the bean counters that racing increases profits then there will be no money for racing.
    That was rather dumb statement. You don't think Yamaha sees direct sales impact from winning motoGP? Suzuki has had very little winning in recent years so the return for their PR investment is not there.
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    quote:Originally posted by kerosene

    quote:Originally posted by Westfield11

    What do trophies and championships from years ago have to do with the business case for continuing in prototype racing? Sochiro Honda, Enzo Ferrari and there sort are long gone, these companies are run by businessmen, not racers. The passion for motorsport that drove them is totally lacking today. In these times, if you cannot convince the bean counters that racing increases profits then there will be no money for racing.
    That was rather dumb statement. You don't think Yamaha sees direct sales impact from winning motoGP? Suzuki has had very little winning in recent years so the return for their PR investment is not there.
    Honestly, I do not. They might sell a few more race replicas in the developed world although WSB and AMA would probably give them far more bang for their buck. Worldwide, most buyers want cheap reliable transport as a step up to a tiny car, I doubt they even know who won the mfg's championship this year in Thailand, or China, or India. And they would not care either. That is of interest to Motorsports fans, not some Brazilian farmer trying to decide between a Honda or a Suzuki to ride his fields.

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