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    Are you talking about the Honda Motorcycle Identification Guide? They still make those and you can order them at any dealer. Mine goes from 1959 to 1998. Has a single pic of each model, vin numbers, engine numbers, major design changes.

    There is also rumor of a service parts cross reference. I've never seen one, I have seen a scan of a page out of one. It had no pics, but listed model vins, part numbers for various service parts and some way of cross referencing those numbers with other models that the part would fit. Things like a CB175 rear sprocket will fit CB125, CB160 etc. Hugely valuable to a restorer and very rare. At one time I searched high and low for one.

    I have a good friend that's the parts manager at a dealer...wonder if he would give me the CD's for their outdated parts system when they get a yearly update.
    JohnnyB

    The ID guide is still available but not widely used by the dealers. helm inc is the publisher for the book for honda and I got their website through the honda website.

    The book I am talking about is the service parts cross reference. A friend of mine in the south who runs a motorcycle yard has one from 1979 and it is the cross reference plus the id guide in one book. The only other copy I saw was at the warehouse of an old defunct honda dealer and I wasn't allowed to touch it, but I was too busy oogling the cb750s still in crates.



    Edited by - Geeto67 on Jun 03 2006 6:30:13 PM

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    Hey Geeto,

    By chance can you give me a little more info on the changes between 66 and 67? What makes it so much heavier? Is it just a bigger block? Or, is it possible to lighten these guys up?


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    Hey Geeto it just so happens that there is a GS750s around me for sale.

    What is the cafe ability of that bike? Does it outperform the cb750?

    Thanks


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    Hey Geeto it just so happens that there is a GS750s around me for sale.

    What is the cafe ability of that bike? Does it outperform the cb750?

    Thanks


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    Hey Geeto it just so happens that there is a GS750s around me for sale.

    What is the cafe ability of that bike? Does it outperform the cb750?

    Thanks

    It depends on the year. The GS750 was produced in response to the cb750 and the kz900. Until 1977 suzuki's mainstream product line had been two stroke street bikes. The 1976/77 (realeased early 76 as a 77 model) made about 68-70 hp which was a few more ponies than the cb and about 2 less than the z1. The bike was approximatley 505 lbs, 42 lbs lighter than the z1 and the same weight as a comparable year cb750. It also had a read disc brake, something honda had just started to expirement with. The chassis design was a clean sheet design and what is astounding it that it is physically bigger than a comparable cb750 despite weighing a pound less (according to cycle's test from 77). As far as power delivery the chassis really does a great job of getting it to the ground and it is smooth, the cb750 by 77 was an aging design and really doesn't have the same kind of motor feel despite making similar power. When honda introduced it's dual cam in 1979 the gs was the aging design, but suzuki came out with the 16 valve motor in 1980 and once again trumped honda (not by much - honda made more hp but was heavier). By 1979 you also had the GS1000/1100 (what would eventually become the GSX) which were screamers and a little more reliable than honda's cb1100F.

    As for cafe-ability, although the aftermarket is not as great as the cb750 there are more than enough parts to build a competent cafe racer. The GS series bike is really popular in drag racing so there are decent speed parts for it. Also suzuki made an 8 valve 850cc crusier which you can put the whole top end (pistons, head) on your 750 for a few extra ponies. You can get rearsets, clipons etc for the bike, and there companys making fibreglass tanks and seats to be used in drag racing. www.TheGSresources.com should help answer any questions you would have about the model and there are plenty of bikes to look at in the gallery. Do a search around the site as I remember somebody asking your same question and getting pics back as a reply.

    I personally have decided to fix up the gs750 I own instead of sell it because I want to do more than a 20 minute ride camparison (my friend lent me his 78 gs750 for 20 minutes and that is all the ride time I have on the bike).

    The slug, do you mean the difference between 76 and 77? I'm not sure what your post means.


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    Hey Geeto it just so happens that there is a GS750s around me for sale.

    What is the cafe ability of that bike? Does it outperform the cb750?

    Thanks

    It depends on the year. The GS750 was produced in response to the cb750 and the kz900. Until 1977 suzuki's mainstream product line had been two stroke street bikes. The 1976/77 (realeased early 76 as a 77 model) made about 68-70 hp which was a few more ponies than the cb and about 2 less than the z1. The bike was approximatley 505 lbs, 42 lbs lighter than the z1 and the same weight as a comparable year cb750. It also had a read disc brake, something honda had just started to expirement with. The chassis design was a clean sheet design and what is astounding it that it is physically bigger than a comparable cb750 despite weighing a pound less (according to cycle's test from 77). As far as power delivery the chassis really does a great job of getting it to the ground and it is smooth, the cb750 by 77 was an aging design and really doesn't have the same kind of motor feel despite making similar power. When honda introduced it's dual cam in 1979 the gs was the aging design, but suzuki came out with the 16 valve motor in 1980 and once again trumped honda (not by much - honda made more hp but was heavier). By 1979 you also had the GS1000/1100 (what would eventually become the GSX) which were screamers and a little more reliable than honda's cb1100F.

    As for cafe-ability, although the aftermarket is not as great as the cb750 there are more than enough parts to build a competent cafe racer. The GS series bike is really popular in drag racing so there are decent speed parts for it. Also suzuki made an 8 valve 850cc crusier which you can put the whole top end (pistons, head) on your 750 for a few extra ponies. You can get rearsets, clipons etc for the bike, and there companys making fibreglass tanks and seats to be used in drag racing. www.TheGSresources.com should help answer any questions you would have about the model and there are plenty of bikes to look at in the gallery. Do a search around the site as I remember somebody asking your same question and getting pics back as a reply.

    I personally have decided to fix up the gs750 I own instead of sell it because I want to do more than a 20 minute ride camparison (my friend lent me his 78 gs750 for 20 minutes and that is all the ride time I have on the bike).

    The slug, do you mean the difference between 76 and 77? I'm not sure what your post means.


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    Wonderful reply! Thank you!


    ::EDIT:: what do you think about the 78'GS750?


    Edited by - Hoshnasi on Aug 16 2006 2:02:42 PM

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    Wonderful reply! Thank you!


    ::EDIT:: what do you think about the 78'GS750?


    Edited by - Hoshnasi on Aug 16 2006 2:02:42 PM

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    Wonderful reply! Thank you!


    ::EDIT:: what do you think about the 78'GS750?


    Edited by - Hoshnasi on Aug 16 2006 2:02:42 PM
    which model? The 1978 GS 750 is still an early GS750. The E model was available with a wide comfy stepped seat, other models had a rather low flat seat. I can only seem to find 78 wide stepped seats for my 77 low seat model to replace the rotted out seat pan on my bike. What I like about the 78 is it is the same smooth powerful motor and chassis that made the 77 a success but it should have cast wheels (depending on the model) and twin front disc brakes instead of the single disc that early 77s had. Some models had spokes (the no letter model) and if you really want you can probably find a set and switch back, although the gs wheels are a very unique snowflake cast wheel that look just like the old lester or henry abe snowflake. When buying a 78 - make sure the brakes work, the mastercylinder doesn't leak, and the title is clear and available.


    This is a 78 750 no letter model (with nonstock paint) note the spoked rims and flat low seat:



    This is a D model (again nonstock paint) Note the mags:



    This is an E model (stock paint) note the stepped seat and mags:



    here is a cafe racer one that someone has been working on:

    Has low bars a cafe style fairing and a reuposltered bumstop seat on the stock pan. looks pretty good for low buck

    Edited by - geeto67 on Aug 17 2006 10:48:22 AM

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    Wonderful reply! Thank you!


    ::EDIT:: what do you think about the 78'GS750?


    Edited by - Hoshnasi on Aug 16 2006 2:02:42 PM
    which model? The 1978 GS 750 is still an early GS750. The E model was available with a wide comfy stepped seat, other models had a rather low flat seat. I can only seem to find 78 wide stepped seats for my 77 low seat model to replace the rotted out seat pan on my bike. What I like about the 78 is it is the same smooth powerful motor and chassis that made the 77 a success but it should have cast wheels (depending on the model) and twin front disc brakes instead of the single disc that early 77s had. Some models had spokes (the no letter model) and if you really want you can probably find a set and switch back, although the gs wheels are a very unique snowflake cast wheel that look just like the old lester or henry abe snowflake. When buying a 78 - make sure the brakes work, the mastercylinder doesn't leak, and the title is clear and available.


    This is a 78 750 no letter model (with nonstock paint) note the spoked rims and flat low seat:



    This is a D model (again nonstock paint) Note the mags:



    This is an E model (stock paint) note the stepped seat and mags:



    here is a cafe racer one that someone has been working on:

    Has low bars a cafe style fairing and a reuposltered bumstop seat on the stock pan. looks pretty good for low buck

    Edited by - geeto67 on Aug 17 2006 10:48:22 AM

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