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This is a discussion on "Though it's been said, many times before..." within the General forums, part of the Caferacer.net Forums category; Originally Posted by brad black maybe you're just overestimating the importance of your opinion in other people's lives. Not at all. Simply stating my opinion, ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad black View Post
    maybe you're just overestimating the importance of your opinion in other people's lives.
    Not at all. Simply stating my opinion, and looking forward to other's opinions on the subject.

    I thought that's what this forum was for?

    Not sure if your reply was directed at me...
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    I think a lot of you put too much value in the name 'cafe racer'. A 'cafe racer' personified wishes it could be a panigale.

    I like to use the term 'canyon racer' or 'special' if I must. Mainly because when I knew nothing, the old guys who very kindly took me under their wing and had lived through a lot in Australia used these terms.

    A canyon racer/cafe racer whatever to me is a road bike, that has it's elements changed to make the thing turn better, stop faster and go harder. It has to be functional and safe. Doesn't have to be able to race without a headlight.

    But whatever.

    The guys back then I knew, who sadly are all nearly gone, they would have sold their machines for a new panigale body willing anyday. They were not nostalgic, they loved the new.
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    That's like, your opinion, man.

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    Ichiban and Whit are right and jointly win this round of the internet.

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    i should have added the poke with stick emoticon.

    i was thinking about this today, and it occurred to me that if one was to walk around the car park at the ace cafe or the like in the early 60's that the main differences to today would be models of choice and clothing. this whole idea of cafe racers back in the day seems to me to have taken on a little of a shakespearian holiness. like the music fan who was into the band before they were famous. i expect the ace cafe car park circa 1963 and the barber ace corner circa 2014 (i was there, man) would have left those of us with a mechanical bent and sympathy with similar feelings of awe, frustration and outright horror. there would have been the odd, big dollar bike, possibly owned by someone with money and no idea. and the mid range, well thought out bikes. and then the absolute pieces of backyard shit. owned by people who, apart from the lack of beard, tatts and flannel, would be similarly classed as "dipshit".

    the bikes to which grandpaul alludes would be in short supply. they'd be off at race meetings, like at barber where they were in the pits. and a few of them looked like real shit boxes too. our local community is now global, but stupid remains stupid and blokes following trends trying to look better than the next bloke and get laid don't change too much.

    if someone sends me an email with the title of "turning my streetfighter into a cafe racer" i know what they're talking about. it's just a phrase that has come to mean "custom motorcycle that is not a chopper". trying to take ownership of the word and force a definition of it seems to be somewhat what this forum, as opposed to dtt, is coming to. progress cares not for the originals, or the elders.

    and i'm all for modifying a bike for a look or whatever other reason someone can come up with.

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    I care not for definitions, I care about ethos. Call them pink pretty ponies for all I give a shit. The ethos that has prevailed in the hobby until the most recent wave has been take your junk, make it better junk, and improve the riding expirence by having a competition level roadster on the street. It's that same or similar ethos that went I to original hot rods, street trackers, racing airplanes, jet boats, basically anything performance related.

    The recent influx of "I just want the look" is because popular media has fed the chopper ethos to the unwashed masses in such a pervasive and deceptive manner that the less saavy figure that is the style without substance ethos applies to all of motorcycling (except those dirty bikes which aren't cool unless upside down, sideways, and on fire at the X games). The miss the point of why this hobby was special to begin with: because it delivered a different Experience.

    I always include the big super-bikes as part of the larger cafe racer movement: the ethos was still the same, you had a raw material bike you needed to extract race performance from, just the shape of the raw material changed. What is different about the sportbike ethos from the cafe racer one is that with the sportbikes you are fine tuning, all the big messy hardwork has been done for you, it's a matter of making a few adjustments here, some there, etc...
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    If this is café racer, well then, it's grandkid is. The Panigale is. This is:

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    and it's a café racer. Just because a CBX1000 is four times bigger doesn't mean it's any less a café racer.

    Is a CB400F any more of a café racer that a CB750F1 or F2, because it's smaller? Not really.

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    Aah so. So great wisdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witworth View Post
    It's not that simple guys.

    By virtue of it being a direct Grand Prix racer design, a CBX1000 is a café racer.

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    No.


    A Katana because it has the stance of a café racer.

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    The same applies to a Panigale.

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    No

    It's soft science.


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    bike one and two are porn. Bike three does all its supposed to but doesn't quite distinguish itself among contemporaries.

    This, is a cafe racer:

    Harley Davidson Xlcr: Photo #02

    bar someone calling a model like those hippies, everyone elses definition of the term is too flux.


    re the preceeding to my post: no. A 166 is a racebike. A jewel yes, but the lineage betwixt it and a cbx is vague at the very least.

    panigale and cucciolo both have a clutch, must be the same too eh?



    hoofhearted: the first three aren't. Still got centrestands. Last two don't appear to be a wideline with a Rap or BS lump in it either so they weren't taking it seriously.
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    H-D XLCR's look like café racers, but they sure don't steer and brake like café racers. It can be done, but out of the box they are true crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeto67 View Post
    The ethos that has prevailed in the hobby until the most recent wave has been take your junk, make it better junk, and improve the riding expirence by having a competition level roadster on the street. It's that same or similar ethos that went I to original hot rods, street trackers, racing airplanes, jet boats, basically anything performance related.
    this is the part i don't agree with. for every well built hot rod there's always been a heap of poorly built crap ones. for every blown big blocked mustang there's a hundred small block or 6 cylinder versions lowered with mags and the 3 on the tree swapped for a floor shift driven by dudes trying to look cool. back in the day you only saw the shit local to you. none of it made it into the public knowledge sharing of the time (magazines) because it was unworthy shit. nowadays we have access to see the shit the world over. the crap, the wankers, the hangers on, the dipshits, they've always been there. now they have a platform to reach you right in their own hands.
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    They are named. And marketed by name. Do i give a shit if they ride any good? No.

    but if someone sells me an ice cream in a sealed packet marked hotdog, i'll be referring to it as a hotdog icecream.

    inversely, if someone sells me a cb750k and tells me its a cafe racer, i'll be referring to it as a superbike previously owned by a delusional fuckwit.
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