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    Why is a Manx

    often referred to as a Manx Norton and not a Norton Manx?

    Is it just one of those British English to American English oddities, or is there a real reason?

    I know, I know. Stupid question of the day...

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    The Manx Cat is a breed of domestic cat originating on the Isle of Man maybe they adopted that term on the IOM to differentiate a Manx Norton from a Manx Cat and avoid confusion in casual conversation.
    … & hopefully this is not the stupid answer of the day
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    I don't know that there is any real answer. I always thought it came from describing a bike as prepped for the IOM TT, e.g a "Manx Norton" is a norton built specifically for the Manx race. I have heard to people refer to other bikes as "manx" bikes as well such as a "manx G50" or a "Manx 7R" but they were referring to race bikes specifically prepped for the IOM race. There are people that refer to the norton manx as a specific model in the correct way so really it could just be a holdover slang term.
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    I don't know there is an answer. Growing up and today when my friends say the word Manx you know what they are talking about. Just like no one say "I have a Matchless G50" or A 7R is never described as an AJS 7R. Two days ago I had an email from a friend in Ireland telling me about an Ulster he had bought. There was no need to say its a Rudge. I'm sure there is an answer but I don't know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeto67 View Post
    I don't know that there is any real answer. I always thought it came from describing a bike as prepped for the IOM TT, e.g a "Manx Norton" is a norton built specifically for the Manx race. I have heard to people refer to other bikes as "manx" bikes as well such as a "manx G50" or a "Manx 7R" but they were referring to race bikes specifically prepped for the IOM race. There are people that refer to the norton manx as a specific model in the correct way so really it could just be a holdover slang term.
    That would be a great explanation if not for the fact that the Manx is the most successful (arguably) motorcycle ever produced.

    BTW, I hear the word Ulster and first I think of a tune by Stiff Little Fingers...


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    What made a Enfield Royal ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCed View Post
    What made a Enfield Royal ?
    Pretty sure that was some of that crafty British marketing.

    From the wickedly accurate Wikipedia: "In 1893, the Enfield Manufacturing Company Ltd was registered to manufacture bicycles, adopting the branding Royal Enfield"
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    Prewar cammy Nortons were known as Internationals or "Inters", catalogued by Norton as Norton Internationals.

    Post war or rather from 1949 the Manx TT became a World Championship race and Norton commenced cataloguing 350 and 500 cammy Norton's as Manx 40m or Manx 30M (swing arm bikes as 40MA and 30MA) = A Machine built specifically for the Manx. Norton never advertised the bike as Manx Norton similarly they didn't advertise a Dominator Norton either.

    Just to make things confusing the Norton number convention was utterly nuts, although the catalogue gave the 500cc Manx a "30M" model number in catalogue the engine and chassis were stamped with 11M! Whilst 350cc Manx known as a "40M" the chassis and engine were stamped with 10M!

    Its a sad fact that I have most Norton catalogues from 1947 to 1967 and the Manx is always referred to Manx 40M or 30M never Manx Norton.

    I guess its just easier to say MANXNORTON as a three syllable word, the X softening the syllable change.

    I think I may have over thought this and best get myself a beer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmer_John View Post
    Pretty sure that was some of that crafty British marketing.

    From the wickedly accurate Wikipedia: "In 1893, the Enfield Manufacturing Company Ltd was registered to manufacture bicycles, adopting the branding Royal Enfield"
    I dunno...before manufacturing motorcycles they manufactured bicycles. If they supplied the royal household for 5 years consecutive they could have been issued a Royal Warrant which means they could display the royal mark on their products and call themselves "royal". Unfortunately I can't seem to find anywhere that they received a royal warrant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeto67 View Post
    I dunno...before manufacturing motorcycles they manufactured bicycles. If they supplied the royal household for 5 years consecutive they could have been issued a Royal Warrant which means they could display the royal mark on their products and call themselves "royal". Unfortunately I can't seem to find anywhere that they received a royal warrant.
    Unless they received it for their armaments.

    So, it appears the Manx question is pretty much unanswerable and that I can be satisfied with. Still the most mechanically beautiful bike ever produced (IMO).

    ----------snip----------

    Okay, "Royal" came from Royal Small Arms Company, which Enfield supplied gun parts to. So, according to RE's own website, no appointment of the name was awarded.

    marketing...
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