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    Docudrama about the founding of the company on Discovery channel coming on now at 9pm.
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    Well that was a waste of two hours...

    but it it does make me want to do some "fact checking". I think a great deal of artistic license was used.

    most of the tech talk was laughable!
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    I watched about 5 minutes and saw exactly what I expected to. Shook my head and changed the channel.
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    I set it to record on my DVR, have not watched yet. I am expecting to see a lot of artistic liberties and it is mostly for entertainment value. I think it should still be kind of interesting. now I will walk away from this thread until after I've watched it for fear of spoilers lol
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    I watched it and was entertained...
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    Artistic license? Yes, but it was entertaining. One thead that has a variety of mixture of truth and fiction was the character "Eddie", from Texas (no last name given in the movie). The character has a lot in common with Eddie Hasha, who was killed in NJ, (and 7 others died, too. another rider and some spectators). The movie has him killed in WI, and that he was a friend in Milwakee, and that this was one of the first motordrome races. In fact, Eddie had been an H-D dealer in TX and a personal friend to Arthur Davidson, the race was three years into the motodrome racing, but there is no indication that Walter was in the race. There are indications that Arthur and Walter disagreed on the subject of racing, and Arthur wrote in the HD magazine that H-D would not partake in racing....even though they did, so the disagreement seems legit. The link is to an article written by A. Davidson after Hasha's accident.....On an Indian (true to the movie)

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    Part 2 & 3 tonight and tomorrow.
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    Finally watched part one last night. Overall it was entertaining, a well done show. Was it 100% historically accurate? No but no movie or tv show ever is. I think this show gives us a general overview of how it all happened. I do like that they did not shy away from the arguments between Arthur and Walter, but I found it weird that they were basically painting Walter as the father of the outlaw biker mentality (unless that was an accurate portrayal of how Walter really was). Also I want to do some more research, was Indian really that big of a jack ass? I found myself wanting to punch his teeth out, but then that could just be HD wanting the world to see them as the victim in that situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ews View Post
    Finally watched part one last night. Overall it was entertaining, a well done show. Was it 100% historically accurate? No but no movie or tv show ever is. I think this show gives us a general overview of how it all happened. I do like that they did not shy away from the arguments between Arthur and Walter, but I found it weird that they were basically painting Walter as the father of the outlaw biker mentality (unless that was an accurate portrayal of how Walter really was). Also I want to do some more research, was Indian really that big of a jack ass? I found myself wanting to punch his teeth out, but then that could just be HD wanting the world to see them as the victim in that situation.
    If you think the heads of Indian were jackass's last night, wait till the 2nd episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ews View Post
    but I found it weird that they were basically painting Walter as the father of the outlaw biker mentality (unless that was an accurate portrayal of how Walter really was).
    He's been dead for over 70 years so anybody that knew him is long since dead as well. However by all accounts he was a very charismatic person with a very large personality that came off as paternal. The one thing he gave to the larger automotive industry was the concept of dealer exclusivity. Up until that point cars and bikes could be sold by any dealer with a contract, but he insisted on Harley Dealers only being Harley dealers. The motorcycle industry doesn't really embrace it (how many honda/kawasaki/suzuki/yamaha combined dealers can you count in your home town?) but the automotive industry latched on to it. Because of his hardline approach to his beliefs and interest in the company he is often portrayed as stubborn and sometimes even dumb by his critics (he often forwent "short money" for simpler ideas that paid off long term), but his success is testimony to his forward thinking. Keep in mind he had formal training as a train engineer so a lot of that influenced his decision making as well.

    I haven't seen the show, but if it is portraying him as an "outlaw" then I'd say they missed the mark.
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