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    Your thoughts on the honda twins

    I've been in the market for a cb sohc4 for a while now, but recently some cb450's have come to my attention as possible project bikes. What are your thoughts on these vs. the 4 cylinders as a cafe project? How is the performance, ease of finding parts, etc. compared to the 4's?


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    The twins LOOK the part of a Cafe bike better due to it just being a twin period,but unless they are built to the hilt performance wise they just can't match the fours unless you get into two stroke territory and that's a whole different animal.

    Except for having two less pistons,cylinders,less valves etc. it will cost about as much to do anything else to it.
    They also don't weigh that much less than the fours and when you factor in power to weight most twins lose to the fours.

    I have a CB200T that I got REALLY cheap so I'm going to fix it up,but to go looking for a bike to fix and personally use as my daily rider I would
    try to pick up a Honda(CB),Kawasaki(KZ),Suzuki(GS) or Yamaha(Seca/XS) four cylinder,550cc or above.

    Just my 2 cents

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    Edited by - coolatula on Jan 27 2008 09:23:26 AM

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    Well, I think it's all a matter of opinion myself. While I really like the Fours, the Twins can be pretty peppy and made to be decent looking and handling bikes. Nothing wrong with a Twin for around town and maybe even some short trips. Now, I wouldn't think of taking one on a lengthy trip mind you. I've seen some pretty decent Honda 350s, 450s and 500Ts (last ditch effort to keep the 450s going). If you check over on 650motorcycles.com, you'll see a large variety of the Yamaha XS650s being built and they aren't anything to sneeze at. Some of those have been built up to as much as 900cc and built to handle also. Understand, I'm not knocking the Hondas or the SOHC4s (or the DOHC4s either). Just an observation. To Each His Own.

    Later on,Bill


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    the riding quality is different between the bikes is totally different. When riding twins, even new twins like my ducati, it reminds me of the one and only ride I ever had in curtis jenny. Lost of popping and that twin cylinder thump thump always has me imagining I am some scarf flying in the wind ace on his way to meet destiny. Twins have a destiny quality to them. The fours on the other hand have a racy smoothness and sound that used to be associated with sports cars from across the pond (until kids started putting fart cans on hondas). It is easy to imagine yourself Hailwood or mann huggung that tank to glory.

    romantics aside, I would take a cb450 twin over the cb400f any day and even the 500/550, but not a 750. Riding quality will get you so far but for the times the cb750 is too much a technical marvel to pass up and there is no replacement for displacement. handling wise I think the 450 has the edge over the 500/550 but not the 400f or the 750 (400 because it is light and punchy and 750 because when you run out of handling you can power out of it).

    I am personally not a fan of the cb500T because honda tried to make the cb500T a proper gentleman's bike in English fashion and succeeded in suck the 450 dry of all of its edgyness that makes the bike fun. parts are hit or miss as with most hondas. They are not nearly as easy as a cb750 to get parts for but as compared to a cb350f or 400f you are probably ahead of the game.

    If I had a gun to my head to build a japanese twin, it would either be an early cb450 or an xs650, followed by a t500 two stroke.


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    a 2 stroke?????
    -parks
    ps i think i love you a little more now. not that you'd put clubmans on it .



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    a 2 stroke?????
    -parks
    ps i think i love you a little more now. not that you'd put clubmans on it .


    my first T-500 (a green 1971) had clubmans on it when I bought it. Still have the bars but they hit the stock turn signals. still have the bike too built in true q-ship style with shaved heads, wiseco forged pistons, ported cylinders but otherwise stock appearing.

    I thought you knew I had a 2-stroke fetish (sickness????). Used to drag race a kh500 (which I still have) and have 5 other two strokes.


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    Pete,
    The real questions become: What do you want to do with it? What are your skills? What do you want it to look like?
    I check Minneapolis Craigslist everyday, and always find at least one bike that would be an interesting cafe project. There is a 74 XL350 that the guy has been dropping the price on for about a week now. I think he is down to $450. It would be cool. There is an 82 XL500, too. If you want a small bike to start with there is a TS125 for $250 and a mint CL100 for $1200.
    Keep your eyes and mind open and you will be able to find all kinds of stuff.

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    In some places, that XL350 would be scooped up and built into a Flat Tracker. Just depends on where it is, as to how folks react, huh?
    I'm always hearing about bikes that are TOO FAR AWAY, to pick up on. They are usually, up North, Down in Fla, or out towards (or in) CA (or North of CA). At any rate, cost of gas would make it not worthwhile.

    Later on, Bill



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    Thanks for the info, guys. As far as my own situation, I'd like to make this a cafe bike. I've never done any motorcycle customization, but I've spent a lot of time working on very picky cars. My dad has 3 bikes, a 71 cb500, a 76 kz650, and a 68 Bonneville. He is very mechanically competent and willing to help me out, so mechanical difficulty is not too much of an issue. I'm mostly concerned with the potential of bike for quick backroads riding and tooling around the city. No touring or anything, obviously. It sounds like a cb450 might be a fun bike for that.



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    Pistol Pete, personally, I think you've made a good choice. 450s are pretty tough and can make some pretty good power for a bike of that size. When it was introduced, it gave some of the British 650s a hard time. I'm kinda prejudiced about the 450s myself. Can you tell?

    Later on, Bill


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