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This is a discussion on Fork upgrade within the Parts For Sale forums, part of the Classifieds category; I wouldn't pay attention to the people immediately slamming your ideas, they don't build anything, just trash people who do. Check out cognito moto, they ...

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    I wouldn't pay attention to the people immediately slamming your ideas, they don't build anything, just trash people who do. Check out cognito moto, they sell a variety of kits to swap to a modern front end, other than that, make sure you don't change the trail too much, there are a lot of articles out there on how to calculate trail, so it's a good thing to understand. frankly, there's plenty wrong with your stock front end, namely the technology is a compromise allowing for inexpensive manufacturing, modern front ends require a lot more precisely machined parts, and in that era, would have been ridiculously expensive, the technology in them isn't rocket science though. a newer front end, properly sprung and valved, will keep your front tire on the ground and more consistently loaded than your old front end, which allows for safer braking without locking the wheel.

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    Ahhh, "cafe builders".

    Quote Originally Posted by roccitycafe View Post
    .... same thing with furniture, it doesn't have to be straight or not wobble, or keep thing from rolling off it, or not collapse when sat upon, it's personal taste man... if I want a dining room set that endangers the life of my dinner party guests, then it doesn't need second hand approval

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    Freakin posers! They don't build anything either, they paint shit, tart it, chop bits off, leave things missing and reassemble mismatched model suspensions wrapped around an antiquated frame and VIN.
    What they do well is to promote theft of modern sport bikes unless you figure gold USD forks just fall off the Ducati delivery truck on a regular basis.

    There are dudes on this site building frames, competitive race bikes and world land speed record attempt machines from scratch, those are the bike builders!
    ... ask those guys what they think about your project

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsman View Post
    Ahhh, "cafe builders".

    Quote Originally Posted by roccitycafe View Post
    .... same thing with furniture, it doesn't have to be straight or not wobble, or keep thing from rolling off it, or not collapse when sat upon, it's personal taste man... if I want a dining room set that endangers the life of my dinner party guests, then it doesn't need second hand approval
    I'll stand by that man, he's asking about putting a front end on an old bike, not showing us how he reduced his bike's curb weight by strategically removing material from the frame and swingarm. now, I'm no nasa engineer, but my guess is that most technologies have improved in the last 40 years, front suspension included, he may not know all the details, but improving the front suspension on these old bikes is a big improvement, having ridden many as well as built and designed many front ends incorporating cartridge forks, I can personally attest to that, know any stock gs850 front ends that can get the back wheel off the ground under braking without tucking under and eating shit? instead of sitting here and waiting to get trolled, and also imagining trolling where it isn't, maybe offer some help, I see lots of valid posts with valid questions just get buried with the most popular posts, which basically read as a bunch of grumpy old farts shitting on anyone doing anything to motorcycles other than filing the flash off the cooling fins or changing the oil.

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    those guys rarely post because their posts get ignored in favor of trashing newbs

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    "as well as built and designed many front ends incorporating cartridge forks," who did you work for Showa? That would be pretty cool.

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    nope, don't work for showa, but have taken bikes with front ends I build and designed to the track and actually run them as hard as I could. this is pretty much the funnies thing about this site, I come on here and defend someone who is asking a question and it stirs a hornets nest, if I come on here and ask a technical question, I get zero response, this site could have been a nice resource but the negativity and curmudgeons here really trashed it. why not get off the computer and go build something, go try something you're not sure of, see how it works or doesn't, go build a custom bike and actually finish it, do that a few times and you'll probably shut up and stop criticizing all the "poser custom builds" out there, I have a lot of respect for people who build a show quality bike that's actually finished, maybe it's not my taste, maybe the frame couldn't be thrown around a corner at 80mph and 40 degree lean, but they actually did something, that counts for a lot in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roccitycafe View Post
    I'll stand by that man, he's asking about putting a front end on an old bike, not showing us how he reduced his bike's curb weight by strategically removing material from the frame and swingarm. now, I'm no nasa engineer, but my guess is that most technologies have improved in the last 40 years, front suspension included, he may not know all the details, but improving the front suspension on these old bikes is a big improvement, having ridden many as well as built and designed many front ends incorporating cartridge forks, I can personally attest to that, know any stock gs850 front ends that can get the back wheel off the ground under braking without tucking under and eating shit? instead of sitting here and waiting to get trolled, and also imagining trolling where it isn't, maybe offer some help, I see lots of valid posts with valid questions just get buried with the most popular posts, which basically read as a bunch of grumpy old farts shitting on anyone doing anything to motorcycles other than filing the flash off the cooling fins or changing the oil.
    It's a ridiculous statement but stand by it if you wish.

    The OP bike is a bloody shaft drive cruiser, who the fuck cares if it can "get the back end off the ground under heavy braking". You sound like your "builds" involves turning lumps to turds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsman View Post
    It's a ridiculous statement but stand by it if you wish.

    The OP bike is a bloody shaft drive cruiser, who the fuck cares if it can "get the back end off the ground under heavy braking". You sound like your "builds" involves turning lumps to turds.
    uh huh. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roccitycafe View Post
    nope, don't work for showa, but have taken bikes with front ends I build and designed to the track and actually run them as hard as I could. ...
    Really? As hard as you could???
    Then you would know a USD front end would be a BAD idea on a 70's and early 80's cradle frame.
    Unless hard-as-you-can means to Starbucks and back.

    A good motorcycle should be more than the sum of it's pretty parts.
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