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    Another Monster comes, with new issues

    Bought this lovely hitter, 1000s ie. The picture shows the damaged side, a tank dent is the worst of of the cosmetics. The Ohlins and exhaust are upgrades. The po has fucked up the signals/taillight with cheap led's. Overall it is a cheap fix cosmetically.

    Put a battery in it, the dash cycles and immobilizer light goes out, hit the trigger...nothing. Put a meter on it found the solenoid was nfg, put in a good one and still nothing. The starter is good. Anyone no of inherent problems with the switch or applicable wiring?
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    Sounds like the kind of bike for which an electrical schematic diagram does not exist,
    but the original wiring diagram is still the best place to start and try to make all the critical stuff happy by that.

    ... if the solenoid is fried, there is a lot of other stuff that could be fried.

    Side stand switch and pretty much every other safety device is highly suspect, they only put that stuff on there to aggravate the end customer anyway :|
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    I take it there is a fuse protecting the wiring to the solenoid? Have you checked it? Just to prove the engine will turn place a short across the solenoid to see if it'll turn over. No point trying if the engine is seized. It still won't start with a shorted solenoid as the safeties will still kill sparks and fuel feed.

    A recent Bandit I picked up had a poor earth cable coming from the battery. The safeties had been linked out and whilst it would start as soon as it went into gear it would die. It was the smallest of cables and a connector was high resistance. Cut it off and replaced with another and it cured all ills. Yours is no Suzuki but the principles will be the same. My daughters boyfriends bike will turn over on the electric start or on the boot all day but if the side stand is left down it won't fire.
    Chaos.....panic.....destruction......My work here is done!

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    Is always a nice feeling when you hear the fuel pump go bzzzzzzzzzt

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    Brad Black to the batphone please....
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    Oh to behold the sacred wiring diagram. Alas I have spent all my money on broken toys and now can't afford a real manual so I'm surfin' for freebies. It's easier to find info on vintage stuff then these.

    Starter works, engine turns, fuel pump went bzzzzzt. Loose post on the solenoid, broken internally. No visual indication that anything has shorted.

    Safety switches sounds like a good starting point. Kickstand sensor may be the culprit it took a bit of the impact in that area.
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    Anything close here https://www.carlsalter.com/ducati-service-manuals.asp

    ... any time you want a truly free service manual add "carl salter" to the search string, everybody else is trying to sell you something.
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    the ecu activates the solenoid, earthing out the negative side. sometimes the ecu circuits die. if the ecu is not making it go you can bypass it and run it from the switch. as long as the immo light is out that should be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brad black View Post
    the ecu activates the solenoid, earthing out the negative side. sometimes the ecu circuits die. if the ecu is not making it go you can bypass it and run it from the switch. as long as the immo light is out that should be fine.
    Salter has an 2001 S4 manual are they similar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsman View Post
    Salter has an 2001 S4 manual are they similar?
    Roll with it, is likely close enough for what you need

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