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Anybody catch the TV showing of the Las Vegas Vintage motorcycle auction? I happened to watch some of it last night, was kind of surprised at the results. A few observations:

- Nortons have sunk a little in price. They are pulling about what they were pulling 5-7 years ago meaning they aren't growing as an investment.

- Bevel ducatis are mostly insane but there are some reasonably affordable ones still if you don't mind the "ugly" GTS models.

- was kinda surprised Laverdas, H1s and H2s didn't sell for more.

- Restored or original CB750s bring strong money, modded ones, not so much - except for one which I thought was medicore but brought $10K, and one C&J framed one that was stunning that brought $15K.

- there was an aussie market CB1100R that someone practically stole.

- Someone got a bargain on a 1953 A7R ($12K)

- early sportsters are starting to come into their own and appreciate

- Green Frame Ducs are kind of all over the map: one 1974 sold for $90K, and a 1975 sold for something like $250K - crazy.

- market for airhead beemers seems kind of soft.

so those are my thoughts, would love to hear from others on what they noticed.
 

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I find it interesting that these "old man" putt putt motorcycles from the 10s, 20s and 30s are still commanding such high prices. You'd think prices for those would fall given that their primary buyers are dying off.

I suppose the demand bell-curve doesn't match the car world though (where once people hit their 40s-60s they can finally afford their dream cars from when they were kids... like the supra that just sold for 100k on bringatrailer.com)
 

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I find it interesting that these "old man" putt putt motorcycles from the 10s, 20s and 30s are still commanding such high prices. You'd think prices for those would fall given that their primary buyers are dying off.

I suppose the demand bell-curve doesn't match the car world though (where once people hit their 40s-60s they can finally afford their dream cars from when they were kids... like the supra that just sold for 100k on bringatrailer.com)
Eh...why do Dusenbergs, Cords, Auburns, et al...still command high prices too? you would have thought anybody who remembered a cord driving around as a new-ish car would be dead by now but there are people who are interested. What I have noticed about those "putt Putt" bikes is that there will always be people interested in them, and the value of them is erroding through inflation. Some of the Douglass's were selling for what a douglass sold for 10-15 years ago, which means the numerical price hasn't changed but as an investment the value has eroded. I have seen the same thing with 1930's hot rods. Cars that were $30K builds in the 1990's when $30K bought you a decent luxury car are now still trading at $30K but that's the price of a new camry.

One of the things I find interesting about those old man putt putt bikes ( I love that term, can't you tell) are the number of younger riders getting into them because of events like the cannonball that offer old timey adventure and dress up cosplay parties like the Distinguished gentleman's ride. As long as people can use them like motorcycles, there will always be some kind of interest.
 

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they use them to transport their typewriters to the local café so they can finally finish their screenplay
 

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they use them to transport their typewriters to the local café so they can finally finish their screenplay
<looks over at typewriter saved in corner because mechanically fascinating and also nostalgic, sighs>

Honestly, If I had something like a pre-war Douglas, triumph, enfield, or norton I would use it to run errands all over town. Half the fun is sharing these things with other people by using them as intended. Norton Model 16's are still affordable and after a guy let me ride his at mid-o one year it's on my list of things to buy in the future. I wouldn't pay $20k to have one, but I also wouldn't pay full msrp for a new Vespa GTS despite the fact that I think those are really excellent putt around town bikes. I am glad there are people who are willing so I get to see them in the wild and occasionally scam a ride.

Quentin Tarantino still hand writes his scripts. If he wants a 1925 BSA to ride to the cafe to write Jackie Brown 2, I'm all for it. As much as I think the DGR is more about instagram than motorcycles, if it means a dude is riding a 1930 Henderson in a leather football helmet through NYC, then go for it - what a treat for the spectators who get to see that. But I'm complex like that. I take more offense to kids thinking a sawzall and a cutoff wheel is an essential bike "building" tool than I do to youngsters using cool stuff like it was meant to for facetergramchat likes.
 

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81 CBX for $23K...

Old mini bikes look like fun... but $12K for a 63 Honda mini (CZ100) and the 1972 H2 right after sold for $11K.

A '67 R60/5 for $11K. a /2 for less than 10K.

A 2003 HD springer for $15.5K?

Here's the CB1100R auction...

https://youtu.be/iJLNh-XJ03w?t=11612

go to 3:13:30 or click the link above

$6k. I am crying...
 

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A 2003 HD springer for $15.5K?
You know it's funny, I just read an article in the WSJ today about how Harley's used market has a glut of available bikes, and the values are falling, causing the sales of new bikes to slow significantly. I am kind of waiting for the values to really fall out to pick up some more interesting bikes like XR1200s and Sportster Seventy-Twos. I mean, HD had to see this coming right? you can't outsell your used bikes forever with new bikes, esp when your new bikes are wildly overpriced and short on tech. I wonder if the guy who paid $15K for the springer feels like he got a deal?


https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-glut...harley-davidson-1538391600?mod=article_inline
 

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I'd love to get one of the XR1200s.

They're one of the most "creative" bikes HD has made since closing buel (not including their new dual sport).
 
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I'd love to get one of the XR1200s.

They're one of the most "creative" bikes HD has made since closing buell (not including their new dual sport).
They are an interesting footnote for sure. My understanding of them is that the Euro market wanted a branded HD "sporting" motorcycle, not buells, so when Erik was shown the door, HD borrowed some buell tech and built an HD branded sport standard. They make 20hp more than a standard 1200 sporty engine, but not quite the 100+ hp mark that the buells actually enjoyed. The heads are oil cooled (hence the different shaped valve covers), they use buell XB9 cranks, xb12 oil pumps, a cam grind that is between the buell xb12 and a stock sporty cam, deep gears, and a downdraft FI system. Lots of stuff that is only really on that bike and nothing else like the swingarm, forks, brakes, and shocks.

From what I have heard the XR1200X is the one to have. It has GSXR 1000 forks, full floating brakes, and adjustable rear showa piggyback shocks - basically all the catalog suspension upgrades installed from the factory. I just never see them for sale though.

this one is not far from me....if only it was a little cheaper...:

https://dayton.craigslist.org/mcy/d/middletown-2009-harley-davidson/6773909109.html
 

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wow that's a lot cheaper than I would have thought.

That's an absolute bargain for what you get.
 

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You know it's funny, I just read an article in the WSJ today about how Harley's used market has a glut of available bikes, and the values are falling, causing the sales of new bikes to slow significantly.

Ride Now Powersports in Vegas (Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Polaris, etc) had a mountain of used HDs for sale...almost a silly amount for dealer like that....and they weren't cheap.

Seems like they were in the business of selling used HDs and Polaris Razor side by sides.

For what the Harley Stealers are charging for new stuff I can see used bikes being a viable alternative to new.
 

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Ride Now Powersports in Vegas (Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Polaris, etc) had a mountain of used HDs for sale...almost a silly amount for dealer like that....and they weren't cheap.

Seems like they were in the business of selling used HDs and Polaris Razor side by sides.

For what the Harley Stealers are charging for new stuff I can see used bikes being a viable alternative to new.
Here is an interesting question: Will Evo HD's ever be considered a "real" vintage bike? Shovelheads of all models still seem to command some kind of premium, but they made so many evo powered bikes and they don't really have the "mystique" like the old ones so....are we going to get to a point where evos are the "entry" big twin for sportster money? I can see some "special models" being collectible - the first year fat boy, the cowglide, the heritage springer, et al. but I can't really see someone paying $10K for a regular old heritage or road king like the do for an FLH Shovel.
 

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Here is an interesting question: Will Evo HD's ever be considered a "real" vintage bike?
80s electra glides and road glides in real nice condition are commanding a premium..........evo and non evo.

I don't know what the production numbers of the 80s were but I would guess low......especially since the Japanese were dominating the market in the 80s.
 

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You know it's funny, I just read an article in the WSJ today about how Harley's used market has a glut of available bikes, and the values are falling, causing the sales of new bikes to slow significantly.


I wondered about that years ago and surprised it didn't happen sooner. It seemed like so many empty nesters were buying Harleys as some sort of dork extension, when they would have got more use out of a bottle of Viagra. Maybe I'm out of touch (actually I am) with the Harley market, but it seemed like so many were bought and just end up sitting most of the time and would eventually end up being dumped back on the market in big numbers.... low mile and nicely polished with lots of doodads. Not really my cup of tea, but wouldn't mind a ratty looking knuckle head powered servi car as long as I could install an electric leg on it somehow.
 
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