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Amateur Manx 40M preparation

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Starting a thread about my -59 Manx. Should never had bought it 3 years ago, if it had not been raced quite successfully by a friend of mine. We used to ride together on our road Nortons, he on an Atlas and I had a Dommi 99. Learnt a lot from him about race lines and how to stay alive on public roads. For some reasons, I have to get it going asap. Started collecting new bits for it a year ago. In january I started to take it apart. Also got new parts needed. As a motorcycle in pieces takes a lot of space, I started to assemble it yesterday. Frame in good shape, only minor scratches in the paint. Swingarm bushes ok, now greased. Head bearings Ok.
First thing to do was rear mudguard in bad shape., replaced with a new. I think a -59 should have alloy rear mudguard, but as I'll try to set it up as it was when my friend raced it, it got another fibreglass one. Advice and critics welcome.
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Very logical, no problem, easily done except that I dropped the box with assorted grommets. Took some time sorting a hundred grommets again. Some earlier owner had threaded the gusset hole to M8. Naturally it was cracked and welded and cracked again. Have worse problems than that. Oil tank leaking on at least three different places. Looking at the other 40M thread, same oil tank as mine. Guess I'll have to send a mail to Ken Macintosh. Funny thing about oil tanks, according to the previous racer, it had the oil tank in the fairing, never heard about that.
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Oil tanks in fairings, not sure why this would have been done. There's no shortage of space in its original position and the big foot tank holds 6 pints (specials can hold a gallon!). I guess "if" the bike had a lozenge tank, the type fitted 61/62, which is smaller then a header tank could be made and fitted into the fairing for longer races. Got to remember with open valves and just 2 gaskets in the manx engine was an oily affair. I have seen small side oil tanks in the fairing for primary and rear chain lube?! Early bikes would used engine oil taken off via a boss on the lower front of the oil tank. However Norton abandoned this for 1956 and put the oil in the left hand frame loop.

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A bit of update. Inspiration lost when I found that the oil tank had to move into the original parts box. Spent some time racing a -72 Honda, had to improve my riding a bit. 4 seconds better best lap time than last year!!! Sideburns makes miracles. Plus a better fairing and some engine fixes. Also spent a lot of time on the road with a Comet.
Now a new oil tank has arrived from NZ. Looks good but some minor differences to the old one. Only experts will notice. What is the proper silver paint for a Manx? Does not worry me much because it will be built as it was raced in the sixties by a friend of mine, who said that a good paintjob didn't make it faster. Also got a proper chainguard stud from Mcintosh.
The Manx project has to wait a bit as I'm going to see the Manx GP.
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Correct colour is silver base or you can use Silver Fox. The lozenge oil tanks were never painted just linished but many do paint them. The original big foot tanks were painted and lined.
Correct paint contains lead, lots and lots of lead
:| can't remember why it's in there but I know exactly what it tastes like.


Oh and Mercury too! It's old so it must have some of that in there too.
That'll be silver base, it's more grey than silver. Early polychromatic colours were pretty poor really base being the starting point for all metallic colours back in the 50's. Silver fox 2 pack is about as close as you can get today, the flake is very small as it was originally.
Long time spent with other things. Helped son preparing a Suzuki RG250 Classic racer. Changed it to 17" Yamaha wheels and fork in order to get proper tyres on it. Changed footpegs to nonfolding, made brackets and changed gearchange to first up and some other fixes. Updated lathe and mill with digital readouts. Tidied the workshop. Repaired and painted all windows in the house.
Yesterday continued with the Manx. I had found that the modern clipons hit the tank so I switched back to original. Some other fixes to the front end as well. Front wheel in place. Next will be making a new clutch cable. So today it will be lathe job making proper nipples.
Clutch cable fixed, choosed a PTFE-lined cable, shortened it and soldered on a new nipple. Very interesting design of nipples they used at the factory. Turned, milled, drilled and a final touch with a file.Some problems sorting out which clutch springs to use. Finally decided to use a set from my 650SS, which will anyhow get a Newby clutch. There are more different clutch springs on the market than you can imagine. On top of that to measure spring rate to get a set of equal springs takes time!
Went to a local paint shop. After some computer searching, the guy found Silver Fox and blended a spray can. Back home and painted the new oil tank. Sometimes I do foolish things, should have ordered the oil tank ready painted. Cost of buying paint was more than Macintosh wanted for the paint job!
Now the oil tank is in place and oil lines done. Not especially proud of paint job, looks OK if you stay at least 4 feet away from the bike.
Nipple = the reason why Norton were bust by the late 50’s and bailed out again in the 60’s. I always use PTFE lines cables, you can get nice skinny and lined outers today so they don’t need to be Chucky like Jap cables.

Manx springs come in two lengths. Short type for the 3 plate clutch with inserts in the chain wheel, second type for the AMC clutch with friction backplate. Springs are square section wire not round. SS springs might hold a 350 but will slip with the 500 engine.

Silver fox is what I use, it’s close to silver base which is what norton used (almost grey).
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27 degrees Celsius is too hot for me. Not more done, only a fairly decent looking kill switch and a diaper. Don't know the proper english word for it, maybe bellypan. Took me hours to figure out how to fasten it. Remembered my old professor in machine elements talking a lot about value engineering. In short keep it simple. So drilled 6 holes in it and 6 cable ties. Maybe 4 should have been enough.
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Belly-pan is the word you're looking for
Exhaust. Not the simplest task. As I'm planning to use the bike, the pipe welded together with the megaphone it came with went to the "saved original parts bin". A new pipe, exhaust pipe rose and some kind of muffler was needed. Pipe and nut from a well known british supplier. Does they fit? Keeping old british motorcycle tradition, answer is no. Turning a bronze ring solved nut problem. Hours spent milling and grinding made a decent tool for tightening the nut. As a final touch, drilled a number of lockwire holes in the rose. Nortons exhaust nuts are known for coming loose. Next problem was fitting the pipe. It fitted well, except the small detail that it interfered with the foot peg. So it had to be bent down at least 1/4". Everybody that has tried to bend a pipe knows that it's almost impossible to get a nice bend without buckling the pipe. Buying a pro pipe bender for just one small task was out of question. Best alternative is to sand fill the pipe and plug the ends. Then heat it red warm and carefully bend it. Done that a couple of times and it works great. In this case it was only a slight adjustment so I tried on a couple of pipes I had, without sand filling. After some trial and error found it possible to do. Biggest nozzle I had in the welding torch, keep distance to the pipe and not too much heat on the side prone to buckling. Worked OK, smooth bend. But the nice chrome finish gone. But this is a racer, not a show or museum piece. Next problem will be a silencer. Plan to make a quick and dirty one just to get the bike running. Have to get it run in. After that some dyno runs testing, different kinds of silencers.
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A note on Mr Yoshimura's undisputed skill. In beginning of the clip, there is indication that ends of the pipe is plugged. With the big nozzle he has on the torch, the time it takes for him to get temperature up to when it is possible to bend the tube makes me believe that it's sand filled. It is very interesting to note how he moves the torch to get the tube soft in the right parts. His combination of feel when pushing on how the tube wants to go up or down and his adjusting on where to apply heat is simply amazing. Looked at that video before my little tube adjustment. Otherwise should not have fixed it. The video is a good example of a very good craftsman doing his work with simple tools.
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A note on Mr Yoshimura's undisputed skill. In beginning of the clip, there is indication that ends of the pipe is plugged. With the big nozzle he has on the torch, the time it takes for him to get temperature up to when it is possible to bend the tube makes me believe that it's sand filled. It is very interesting to note how he moves the torch to get the tube soft in the right parts. His combination of feel when pushing on how the tube wants to go up or down and his adjusting on where to apply heat is simply amazing. Looked at that video before my little tube adjustment. Otherwise should not have fixed it. The video is a good example of a very good craftsman doing his work with simple tools.
Yes, it would have been nice if he showed the process from the beginning. It almost looks as though he has the ends just taped off, which doesn't make sense. Here is another fellow.... it shows the tube capped and a threaded packer in one end and it also gives a better view of the torch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A-gX-GQCk5k#fauxfullscreen

Nice to see updates on the Manx btw.
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The problem with manx exhausts and makers of is this, the manx came as a long stroke 350 and 500, a short stroke 350 and 500 with 3 ring piston and finally the shortstroke 350 and 500 with two ring piston. Also gearbox case shape plays a part too, the AMC box is cutaway allow the pipe to tuck in more than the laydown box.

What this all means is that the exhausts are all different but the manufactures today will just make one type. So they are too low or the turn out curve from the head is too big and so forth. Make from scratch is the easiest way but the Norton pipes were mandrel bent not sand bent and YES Yoshimura plugged the pipe ends. There are guys in the UK that still do it, I can do parallel tube but not tapered megaphones, have tried but I haven't quite mastered that trick but will have too as some point, I have done adjustments but not full forming.

As for the silencer fouling the foot rest, take a look at the photo, this is how you get past the foot rest, there's a depression / dent made on the top off the silencer to help lift as much as possible. The photo is of a 350, the 500 hanger set up is different but still has the depression on top. Again all good info elsewhere on the site and note foot rest hanger also dictates the engine timing cover to header pipe clearance. In period the pipe usually touched the outer timing case and would wear a nice little hollow. Also note the clamp on the top of the silencer, not underneath, see bottom picture a just visible is the wear / witness mark made by the header pipe on the outer timing case.

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Short update. Clutch pushrod, found that two rods for NEB speedway clutch was right length. Problem finding some correct thickness sheet metal for the silencer plate. Everybody seems to be on holyday. Done some practicing with a TIG-welder. Half a century using a oxyacetylene welder makes it a bit tricky to adapt to modern technology.
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More than 30C outside. Only 25 in the workshop. First I'll have it going without fairing, so the old number plates and the flyscreen went on. The flyscreen has two bent and cut John Tickle headlamp holders on the sides. No idea what top mount it shall have. The 1 3/8 GP2 the bike was fitted with is beyond repair. Threads in mixing chamber and cap is really bad. No fun if it comes loose and throttle valve goes up by itself. One reason I fitted a kill switch. As I have not got my greasy hands on a decent Amal GP yet, I'll go for a Gardner to start with. Only waiting for a correct needle arriving by post. Still not finished with the silencer. Now it is close to start it first time after 23 years of silence. Only one and a half year since I started to dismantle the bike. Motor vehicle Vehicle Fuel tank Auto part Automotive lighting
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