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I've seen it done on other forums where a guy will post progress pics of a project. Others follow along and give him words of encouragement. These encouraging words inspire him to get off his lazy ass, bundle up in his carhartt's, and bravely trundle over to his unheated shop space in the dead of an Ohio winter to work (and, dare I say, to dream)…

So here's what I got so far:

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Frame stripped and ready for sandblasting:
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160 triple trees are also now off to have the 160 stem removed and pressed into a set of 350 trees. Thanks for the advice on that one.

Let me know what you think and call me gay if I stop posting updates.




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i love the wards tank! is it the perfect height on your mock up (to get in behind the bubble)?

good luck!

texy

p.s.- where did you get the vic camp?
 

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Very cool start. I like the looks of the tank, too. The tires and rims really make it look racy. Texy wants a set just like them for Summit Point.
Keep after it, race season is just around the corner for some of you.

Ken

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Vintage racing - old guys on old bikes
 

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Yep looking good. And yeah...that wards tank looks nice on there...who'd a thought.

Let me know if you need any 160 info, I've got quite a bit.

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Thats the spirit! Thanks.

Yeah, about the tank. Ever been at a junkyard or swap and just get a gut feeling about some rusty piece of shit from a totally different machine just laying there?

I'm thinking the bubble's got to be cut down to fit my big ol' head in behind there. We'll see when it comes time to mount it.

Motor's just a stock piece that, if it has decent compression, I'm just gonna run with just to get out there.

jb, yep I'll be buggin' you fer sure. Say, you got a line on any decent carbs or megaphones?






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Krap,
Those aftermarket megs weigh a ton...unsuitable for racing.
Check here for the run down on my megs and prices:

http://www.jrbranson.com/BikeParts/CDR-Parts.htm

The two hot setups for a 175/160 are SL350K1 carbs...old school 24mm Keihins. You can still get rebuild kits and jets for them.

The better route is Keihin PE24 race carbs, 24mm, brand new about $100 each from Sudco.

Are you going to run a 175 engine or 160? I can give you the carb specs to get either type of carb dailed in within about 90% for a 175.
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Yeah, Emgo shorty mufflers are el crapo. Thanks anyway Bandit.

jbranson, for now I'm gonna just run a stock 160 w/constant loss electrical. I'm playing hooky and going to the junkyard tomorrow. I'll look for the SL carbs. If not, Sudco it may be. Your megaphones are just what I'm looking for. What do you think, go with stock headpipes for now? Also, AHRMA has a baffle requirement,so, would a Supertrapp setup like yours suffice? Thanks.

Dropped the frame off at the sandblaster today. I shoulda got pics. The original members of Lynard Skynard are in fact alive and well and running a welding/sandblasting shop in Columbus OH. In case anyone was wondering.



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Krap (what's your name anyway?)

The 24mm carbs will be a tad large for a stock 160, but will leave room to grow. If you find any...hold on to them for future use. You'll have to experiment some...may be with a stock engine and four speed box the original carbs will suffice.

I'm pretty sure AHRMA allows SuperTrapp systems. We have pretty strict sound rules in our club and they pass the test.

Sounds like my guys at "Ed's Sandblasting"
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Uh, hey. My name's Eric.

I might have mentioned it before but I'm loosely associated with the Rice Paddy here in Ohio. Worked there for a couple of years and the owner's a good friend. Anyway, I got out to their second yard today and dug up some shit.

Junkyard haul:


Some pretty clean 350 wheels,
some straight 350 forks
and some clean 160 carbs.

No dice (yet) on the SL carbs, but like you say jb, for a stock setup they (the stock 160 carbs) should suffice.

Oh yeah, jb, he's got a decent pile of 175 shit (both sloper and upright). Last time I was out there he hadn't sorted through it all yet.




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watch out, Eric, JB will be there any moment!! the SL carbs are good for the 175, but the 160 . . . .
 

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Yeah...I can't say from personal experience about the SL carbs on a 160 as I've never run that exact setup. Might be a little peaky...not what you'd want with a four speed. But hold on to them if you find any...you'll want them later or someone else will.

Eric,
See what's out there for sloper 175 lower ends (CL 5 speeds), and how much he wants for one. Also...I need some CB200 cylinder blocks.
I've bought some stuff from Rice Paddy before...seems like a good outfit.
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JB: Yep, no problem. I'll probably be heading back out there the week after next. I'll take my camera, get some pics and get them to you.

Say, I don't wanna open a can 'o' worms here but, come to think of it, having ridden my 350 on the street for the past 6 years, 350 brakes SUCK. I've got a set of ferrodo shoes in there but man do they fade.

Reading another active post on here about forks, then searching the (lengthy) archives for discussion on brakes has got me wonderin'...I'm not going crazy on the motor on this bike yet, but suspension and brakes ought to be a priority. I'm already retrofitting the 160 stem into the 350 trees (as stated above) which will allow for better forks.

Now, let me pose a question to you nice folks. If you had access to a yard that carries a generous stock of Japanese parts, what front end combo would you go with? And yeah, the Paddy's got a nifty collection of many of the high dollar usual suspects (read: a nice Water Buffalo front end, etc.) but no, I don't necessarily want that. I'm just curious what you guys would put together for a peewee 160 and why.

Hell I might as well try to do this right.




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Eric,
Actually the stock CB160 front brake is pretty good. Should be fine for a basically stock 160 engine...depending on your weight...if you are up around 200 lbs you might want to consider something larger. The CB160 brake is BETTER than a CB350 stock brake. Bear in mind your 160 will be around 150 lbs lighter than your street 350. Weight effects brake performance as much as it does speed.

My suggestion would be like this:

Stage 1
CB200 or CB350 front end, CB160 front brake (at least Ferodo shoes)

Stage 2
Go to a 305/450 brake

Stage 3 (for very aggressive, suicidal riding ..my style)
CB550/4 front end, Suz T500 brake

For reference...Zack ran something like a 1:32+ at NHIS on my wife's bike with CB200 forks and a 305 brake. Yes...that's like a front pack LWSV lap time. He's about 200 lbs in leathers. That bike has a CB160/CL175 frame.

I forget...but I think the CB200 forks are 31mm....maybe 33 the same as a CB350...but I don't think so. So....the moral is...you don't need the killer stage 3 setup I have ( I run it because it gives me confidence and get's me out of trouble sometimes) because the Stage 2 type setup probably holds the lap record for 200gp at Loudon.

Short yourself on anything but NOT THE BRAKES. Great brakes are safer, quicker and can really get you out of trouble sometimes. I do almost all my passing on the brakes.
JohnnyB

PS. All of the brakes above are of course fitted with race compound shoes.



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My last 175 was using a XL350 fork-35mm tubes. It seemed to work ok but the tubes had about 2" extra sticking out of the top. The current bike has a CB350 front end on it. I don't have much time on it but it seems ok for now and is noticeably lighter.

I'd be in for a group purchase of all the sloper parts in the yard there.
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Yeah...that's the ticket...31mm. They seem to work pretty good too. Way better than the crap that came on 160s/early 175's.

The mechanical disk on the early CB200 is worse than the DLS 7" drum that came on the CB175's.

Questions is....did the CB200 go to a hydraulic disk in later years?
Stangely enough...the first year CB200 mechanical disk brake is the same as is used on the MT125R race bike.....didn't work on that bike either :)
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Awright, more shit done...


Frame sandblasted and shaved, had to clean up some welds too:





Some of the crap I cut off:




Bondo, baby!:




Cleaned up all purty:




Mock up w/ the stripped Riverside tank, tail option #1:



Mock up, tail option #2:




Which tail do you think?

Triple trees are still being fabbed--he's gonna make me a new top tree outta billet (OCC bitches!)

I'm going out to get a CB450 front wheel Wednesday to be sent off to Vintage Brake to be done up right.

Lastly, I got a line on some SUPER clean 350 forks, built for race and track tested.


Busy fuckin' bee, I am.







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And more progress…

CL450 wheel.

Need the hub, not the 19” rim so…





Got the bottom triple tree back (160 stem pressed/welded into 350 tree):





Rolled some strap to make a one-off-moped-tank-on-a-wee-race-bike tank locator:



Cut and shaped a subframe brace:



And cut and mocked up some high dollar race only super go fast clip ons (yep, those are pinch brackets off a junk 350 triple tree and cut off clubman bars):




Merry Christmas you Cheeseheads!

Honda go sideways!

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