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hey, i'm new here and had a quick question.

i've seen a honda cb77 that looks like this...


and one as a "cb77r" that looks like this...


is the second one just have a changed tank and seat, or was there a "cb77R" model that was different then the normall cb77 i see everywhere?
 

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that's a stock bike with tank,seat, clipons, and some other carbs. Honda offered a complete race kit through dealers for those things and parts still come up on ebay.
Looks like a loop was added to the frame under the of seat hump on that bike.
 

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Most of the time that I hear people talk about a cb77R is when referring to the 1966 Grand Prix Racing bikes built by Honda and Pops Yoshimuria. I don't think it was an "official" honda model but rather a name for that bike specifically in the project.

I have heard of others referring to their bikes as CB77Rs but 9 times out of 10 they are CB77 street bikes with the honda racing kit and painted to look like on of the original Grand Prix bikes. I think rather than an official models any cb77 with the honda race kit could be considered a "cb77r"

If there was an official CB77R I highly doubt it was a street bike.
 

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and they werent called r models. rather cyb77, or 72.
 

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the factory racing kit info is new to me. so thanks for that.

geeto- the red one is being sold on www.garagecompany.com under racer bikes for $6,500.00. the description says:
1966 Honda CB77R Racer
High Compression Racing motor
Aluminum gas tank,
Very fast AHRMA bike

do you think this could be one of those Grand Prix bikes?? i know the guy has a lot of rare bikes. it would make more sense why he was asking so much for it.
 

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the factory racing kit info is new to me. so thanks for that.

geeto- the red one is being sold on www.garagecompany.com under racer bikes for $6,500.00. the description says:
1966 Honda CB77R Racer
High Compression Racing motor
Aluminum gas tank,
Very fast AHRMA bike

do you think this could be one of those Grand Prix bikes?? i know the guy has a lot of rare bikes. it would make more sense why he was asking so much for it.
I doubt it, the Grand Prix bikes were DOHC heads and 6 plate Dry Clutch. The Garage company bike looks like a stock cb77 that was modified with some race kit pieces to look like one of the old yosh/honda GP bikes. Plus if it was a GP bike I think he would have said he had paperwork to prove it and ask a lot more than $6800.

That little tail loop looks like it was done way after the fact and homemade. Don't get me wrong it is a very nice built bike, in fact I don't think honda would have gone through the trouble of adding the tail frame loop at all unless it was necessary.
 

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To clarify (and be a total honda nerd), there were a few incarnations of the 305 in race trim. The full factory GP bike, the CR77:

then the RSC CYB 'kitted' racer:

(what was cool about the CYB kit for the cb/cl77 was it used the stock tank and that wacky seat. The above photo is close but wrong but I do not know of any other cyb77 photos)
then, of course, the Yoshimura 'kitted' racer:

if you are interested, this is what a 'kit' would look like:

NO, you are NEVER going to find one. same goes for the CYB kit.
Seriously.

and last but not least the many, MANY replicas which copied the general style of Honda's GP bikes like this one:


and that concludes your 305 racing history lesson for the day.


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Edited by - ROSKO on Jan 10 2008 08:40:01 AM

Edited by - ROSKO on Jan 10 2008 08:42:48 AM
 

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Great information Rosko. Learned a lot of new things there.

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Rosko,

That "replica" has the DOHC head and Dry clutch, which could make it either a CR77 (highly doubtful) or a yosh kitted converted street bike. Those parts are unobtanium. Usually when someone says replica it is a fairly stock motored bike (SOHC) with the bodywork and usual racing accouterments. That head and clutch alone would cost you more than the garage company is asking for their cb77r replica.
 

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Glad I stumbled onto THIS one, I've got a 63' CB77 Super Hawk that I'm going to fix up (not restore, too far gone for ME to afford a restore). Always looking for any and ALL info and pictures of the CB77 or ANY variations there of. Had a 66' CB72 (in 68')that I did some work on and put one of those "Wacky Seats" on. It looked weird but sat good.




Here's my CB72 stripped and racing a CL77. Also. notice the CB350 Gauges I installed to "Update" my Hawk.


 

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Check this version out that I found a while back. The guy adapted the head from a GS400 Suzuki, to get the DOHC look. I've got the "How to" info somewhere and will look for it, if interested to see it. Not quite the same effect but it will make you take a 2nd look.

 

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Glad I stumbled onto THIS one, I've got a 63' CB77 Super Hawk that I'm going to fix up (not restore, too far gone for ME to afford a restore).
Bill, doesn't your CB have a CA motor? I seem to remember you complaining about it on the 305 forums a while back. I have to say that is the setup I have always wanted to build, mostly because the difference in the firing order (180 vs 360 degree crank) and how the CA77 sounds more like a brit bike. Also I like the simplicity of the Dream motor over the superhawk. I seem to remember the dream being more of a torque monster than the hawk too and that is something else I liked about it.
 

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Glad I stumbled onto THIS one, I've got a 63' CB77 Super Hawk that I'm going to fix up (not restore, too far gone for ME to afford a restore).
Bill, doesn't your CB have a CA motor? I seem to remember you complaining about it on the 305 forums a while back. I have to say that is the setup I have always wanted to build, mostly because the difference in the firing order (180 vs 360 degree crank) and how the CA77 sounds more like a brit bike. Also I like the simplicity of the Dream motor over the superhawk. I seem to remember the dream being more of a torque monster than the hawk too and that is something else I liked about it.
Yeah, you remember right. My Super Hawk does</u> have a CA motor in it, for the time being anyway. I've managed to gain a few parts with the possibility of some more. I've picked up a CL77 head (of course the only difference from the CB head, is the CL doesn't have the provision for the tach drive. I've gotten a CB77 crankshaft along with a tach drive (still need the camshaft to go with that, IF I use a tach). I've also picked up on a nice CB77 crankcase as well. HondaMan over on SOHC4, told me that he and another fellow found (years ago) that you could drop the 5sp trans, from a 68'(only) CB/CL350 right in there, without modifications (clutch, shiftdrum w/shift forks, shafts, gears and all. Said I'd have to raise my gear ratio because the 350 trans is internally geared lower. The newer CB/CL350 trans was improved by the factory and would not be a drop in for the Super Hawk. I have found one of those motors with the help of mikedialect (also from SOHC4 & HondaTwins and he has picked it up for me. I ALSO have some info from another fellow (on Honda305.com, that stock jetted 450 carbs can be mounted and successfully used on the 305 (he DID IT about 30yrs ago and sent me a picture of it. My intention is to build the motor for the Super Hawk. No, I also have a good part of a CL77 rolling frame and have put SOME thought into building the CA motor for THAT one. Any info and/or thoughts would be appreciated.

Later on, Bill :)<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
 

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That dude is on drugs.

Very very nice and rare bike...but they don't command that kind of price...specially when not in museum quality, wrong tank and seat and missing the fairings. I think absolutely perfect examples go in the $75-100,000 range....with a history.

All the text in the ad is cut and paste from here:
http://www.vf750fd.com/Joep_Kortekaas/1962.html#CR72

The seller seems to be a broker of some sort. I'd sure want some contact with the real owner and a lot more info and better pictures. Of course the ad is probably just phising for a off-line buyer...that's what happens in most cases like this....just using Ebay as a Billboard...which is very smart.
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that's funny, that bike was just up for private auction, I had read a few e-mails from Mr. Moore about it. The auction must not have gathered the $$ the guy was expecting so on to ebay. Some of you guys know how rare these machines are, for those who don't let's just say Honda crushed all the race machines after they were done with 'em. Ouch. Some did survive, kept by the racers or privateers. From the e-mails I read prices for the CR110 and 93s are generally in the low $50K range, then there is the big CR twin that was sold by a guy in the UK several years back and he is supposed to have gotten US$185K. The rumor is that the auctioneer estimated this CR72 to be $200K but of course it all depends on what someone is willing to pay for it. An interesting thing to consider is that with the US dollar taking such a dive in the world market that all the fine vintage motorcycles may start getting scooped up by foreign collectors. The listing even says the machine will go to japan if not sold. Could be a sign of what's coming, as if it weren't hard enough finding these bikes! Whatever, I bet he gets some awesome nigerian scams from that listing!

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tex will ship it.

honda im pretty sure was crushing all of their works bikes until recent history. keeping only one each for themselves if they kept any. im sure there were a few "stolen from the van while we were sleeping" and "while we stopped to pee at this gas station" stories though.

no glass and not original bodywork? and still 200k. that thing batter have some huge papers to go along with it!


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