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Wanted to shout out to everyone an introduce myself. I'm Ryan from Richmond Indiana. I'm a mechanical engineer by trade and hobbyist of many. Hobbies include CNC machining, cars, bikes, motorcycles, and RC planes. Basically anything with a motor.

I've got 5 motorcycles with 3 of them is / to be projects. Ive got an S2000 that I used to track and an RDX as my daily.

1981 Yamaha Exciter 250

1988 BMW K75S that I plan to make a project out of eventually.

Daily Rider: 1999 BMW R1100S


Current Project: 1970 Honda CL450



Build thread although I may move it here... Not! https://www.hondatwins.net/forums/1-project-logs/18051-bonzo-s-cl450-cafe-racer-build.html

Future Project: 1998 Honda CB750 Nighthawk (was my wife's bike till my brother wrecked it)



My S2000:



Looking forward to leaning new stuff and sharing my project builds with everyone.
 

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Nice Hondas.

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Not sure why they don't bring back updated versions of this car.
Do you have any suspension travel? Looks like your tires will be rubbing the fenders running over a straw.
 

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Welcome, don't take this personally but...


Current Project: 1970 Honda CL450



Build thread although I may move it here. https://www.hondatwins.net/forums/1-project-logs/18051-bonzo-s-cl450-cafe-racer-build.html
Wow, that is hot fucking garbage. It's a good thing you put those shitty firestones on it because it's clear you don't actually plan to ride the thing. It's not personal but leave that rolling attempt at Instagram likes over at honda twins - most of the people here are focused on improving the performance of their old motorcycles and well..this just ain't the audience for what is essentially what most here despise about the direction of the hobby - rideability compromised for the sake of curb appeal.

personally I would rather see you turn that wrecked nighthawk into RC42 spec using cbr600 f2 parts since we never got the RC42 here.

nice s2000.

BTW, don't take this to mean you aren't welcome here. I think most of us share the same hobbies here and there are quite a few engineers as well (not me). It's just whatever you did to that 450...man...this is not the crowd for it. I hope you don't think that is a "cafe racer". Anyway. stick around, tell us about the other cool shit you do.
 

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Welcome, don't take this personally but...
Really? you're a fucking prick. Do you take pride in bashing other peoples hard work?

I would agree it certainly isn't a cafe racer that i had originally planned. Direction changed 3 times. I went from clip-ons, rear controls, and inverted forks to a completely different direction. No problem that you don't like it but to be a fucking sack of shit about it is another thing. You think everyone should build the same bike. fuck that. Be unique build what you like. No need to be an asshole.



 

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The CB750 is planned to be a more performance oriented bike. Inverted forks are first on the list.
 

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Really? you're a fucking prick. Do you take pride in bashing other peoples hard work?

When it results in a worse performing (and considerable less safe) motorcycle than the stock version... yes.


The CB750 is planned to be a more performance oriented bike. Inverted forks are first on the list.


What makes you think inverted forks will improve the performance of a CB750?
 

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Really? you're a fucking prick. Do you take pride in bashing other peoples hard work?

I would agree it certainly isn't a cafe racer that i had originally planned. Direction changed 3 times. I went from clip-ons, rear controls, and inverted forks to a completely different direction. No problem that you don't like it but to be a fucking sack of shit about it is another thing. You think everyone should build the same bike. fuck that. Be unique build what you like. No need to be an asshole.


I'm guessing you didn't read too many threads here before posting.
FWIW that image hosting site you are using gets blocked by Malwarebytes as a known spyware site
 

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I have to agree with Geeto, that Honda looks like hot garbage. Function over form here, every time. That thing looks like a Honda Fat Cat more than it does a street bike.

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Now there is still hope to make that bike something that looks good and performs well. Listen to people like Geeto, he may be ornery and have a face only a mother could love, but the man knows more about CB's than I could ever hope to learn in 2 lifetimes.
 

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So I guess the requirements of this forum is to be an asshole, get off on bashing peoples builds, build something the same as everyone else, and it has to be built for peak performance. Really gotta have thick skin to be here.
 

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So I guess the requirements of this forum is to be an asshole, get off on bashing peoples builds, build something the same as everyone else, and it has to be built for peak performance. Really gotta have thick skin to be here.
It doesn't have to be a race bike making hundreds of HP, but people here generally appreciate modifications that make the bike bike more efficient and easier to ride. They are not big on modifications that make a bike less safe or handle worse.

Building the same as everyone else is hardly a requirement, but if you design a bike to meet certain criteria, they will all have some design elements in common. On the flip side, doing things that are seen on Pipeburn etc isn't exactly making it your own, as they say.

It's your bike and you can do whatever you want to it. But don't expect that everyone will like what you did - especially on here. Many of the regulars here are racers or ex-racers or hang around with racers, so they tend to know what they like and what looks wrong to them. But not all of us are making our bikes faster or more race oriented. Some of us are going with higher bars. Some are restoring bikes. Some like old style racers and cafe racers. Not many are into so called brat style or silly tires and those tires are some of the worst around.

So, Yes. It's useful to not be thin skinned.
 

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So I guess the requirements of this forum is to be an asshole, get off on bashing peoples builds, build something the same as everyone else, and it has to be built for peak performance. Really gotta have thick skin to be here.
No one is an asshole here, well I am but I'm am quite OK with that.

Calling something out for what it is is not "bashing". If you want someone to stroke your ego and tell you what an amazing builder you are, this aint the place cupcake.

As for "building something the same as everyone else"... well that's just silly. No one bike here is identical to another, but they all tend to share some qualities. Qualities like being safe to ride and tend not to turn like a oil tanker.
 

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It doesn't have to be a race bike making hundreds of HP, but people here generally appreciate modifications that make the bike bike more efficient and easier to ride. They are not big on modifications that make a bike less safe or handle worse.

Building the same as everyone else is hardly a requirement, but if you design a bike to meet certain criteria, they will all have some design elements in common. On the flip side, doing things that are seen on Pipeburn etc isn't exactly making it your own, as they say.

It's your bike and you can do whatever you want to it. But don't expect that everyone will like what you did - especially on here. Many of the regulars here are racers or ex-racers or hang around with racers, so they tend to know what they like and what looks wrong to them. But not all of us are making our bikes faster or more race oriented. Some of us are going with higher bars. Some are restoring bikes. Some like old style racers and cafe racers. Not many are into so called brat style or silly tires and those tires are some of the worst around.

So, Yes. It's useful to not be thin skinned.
That's a good reasonable answer.

Besides I'm not here for the CL450 anyways and i'm not here looking for everyone to love what I build but at the very least people should have some respect. I understand that the tires and size aren't ideal and definitely not for improving the bikes function that's not what I bought them for. I do know some about a bikes handling and performance from research and modifications I've done to my BMW R1100S.

I'm here for the CB750 nighthawk was looking for a good forum to start that build. Honestly second guessing that idea. Not really sure what I want to do with the CB750 but I know I want it to perform well, not the best but well. To answer another guys question about the inverted forks, I've never had a bike with some so I thought I would try something new and different for me. This bike obviously needs a new front end.

What image host sites do you use around here? I used to have Photobucket but that's not an option anymore.
 

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This is a great place to start a build thread, as long as you go into it with the right mindset. People here are going to tell you if something is wrong or stupid. It may sound harsh, but often times it can be the difference between enjoying the ride and ending up wrecked in a ditch somewhere.

No one here is going to go out of their way to hurt your feelings, but we will also not spare them either.

It's about sharing the love of the hobby and doing it safely so that we can all keep doing this until we can no longer swing a leg over.
 

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Really? you're a fucking prick.
meh, I've been called worse by better people.

Do you take pride in bashing other peoples hard work?

I wouldn't call it pride...I think of it more like how your dad must of felt when you told him you were going to do something stupid and he told you not to. I think I said it three times in my original post, this is not the audience for that bike. But go ahead if you think I am wrong...I'm only one of the original members here, what do I know about the regulars on this forum.

I would agree it certainly isn't a cafe racer that i had originally planned.
I don't know that we agree on that, it's not a cafe racer at all. It all comes down to philosophy of engineering and what problems and challenges you are looking for solutions to. You are building a chopper, maybe you don't realize it, or maybe you are resistant to it because of your preconcived notions of what a chopper is, but like it or not your approach to the bike isn't consistent to the core identity of what a cafe racer is - improving the performance of an old motorcycle.

Direction changed 3 times. I went from clip-ons, rear controls, and inverted forks to a completely different direction.
so you started in the right direction...what happened?

No problem that you don't like it but to be a fucking sack of shit about it is another thing.


you have no idea the shit storm you are going to get from the other members here about this. This ain't the audience for this bike. Most of the people here are vintage racers, industry people, collectors, speculators, etc...not your usual band of happy hipsters looking to dole out handjobs on the internet for likes. I can tell you nearly everyone here hates those awful firestones because they are exactly that awful tires. I had a set that came on a bike I bought - weren't even round.
You think everyone should build the same bike. fuck that. Be unique build what you like. No need to be an asshole.
you don't know what I think. You are assuming that because you have little information and you are butt hurt because you put a lot of work into a rolling art sculpture that is useless as a real motorcycle. you want to know what I think, ask -its way more a complex answer that I think you are expecting and has nothing to do with people building the same bike over and over (which by the way considering there are at least a dozen bikes that look almost exactly like your cb is a little hypocritical of you to charge me with championing the unoriginal)

Can I make a suggestion? go look through some of the threads here, you'll see what you are in for. Don't take my word on it for anything, I'm doing you a favor by letting you know that hot mess is unwelcome. I am also testing you a little by being harsh about it, and you aren't passing. This place has a surprising amount of knowledge and helpfulness, and help will always be given to those who ask, but don't expect people to underwrite your bad ideas with compliments and let me tell you that cb450? it's all bad ideas.
 

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I'm here for the CB750 nighthawk was looking for a good forum to start that build. Honestly second guessing that idea. Not really sure what I want to do with the CB750 but I know I want it to perform well, not the best but well. To answer another guys question about the inverted forks, I've never had a bike with some so I thought I would try something new and different for me. This bike obviously needs a new front end.
I don't know that there is a good forum for the nighthawk, but I can tell you some places to start. you can try here: https://nighthawk-forums.com/

The 1992-2003 Nighthawk 750 in the US is the final evolution of the original DOHC cb750/900/1100 superbike made from 1979-1983. The nighthawk is largely an american bike, part superbike, part dragster, it started in the early 80's as what was known as a "musclebike" - sport bike engines in crusier frames with a big rear gumball drag meat out back and bodywork drawn from flat track racing and 1 piece tracy bodies. Freddie Spenser raced a 750/900F in Superbike in the early 1980's and a lot of the heritage models that came later emulate that.

While we got the nighthawk, the ROW got a continuation of the F supersport and eventually the RC42. Essentially the same frame and engine, the major difference comes in the bodywork and the parts used. US nighthawks used low spec US specific parts, but the RC42 used a lot of the cbr 600 F2 and F3 spec parts (depending on the year) - esp the wheels, brakes, and forks. This means all that stuff is bolt on, and since we got the cbr600 in droves here - all that is common. Which means, if you are looking for a fork upgrade, head over to the wera board and ask people who are racing cbr600 f2's and f3's and ask them what they are using for a fork/brake/wheel upgrade, esp a USD fork.

Now the RC42 had a huge following in japan, and there are some really pretty customs built on that platform, and a ton of parts to be had through webike japan. Whitehouse.jp made some really beautiful Bol d'or tributes using that chassis:
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Whitehouse Japan - CB750 - DCSportbikes.net
yes underneath this is a nighthawk chassis and engine.

Nighthawks in this country as customs tend to get butchered pretty badly. I think classified moto built one for the walking dead and while it looks pretty great, from all that I have spoken to that have ridden it - it's not fun to ride. It's an almost 500lb motorcycle that playing to it's strength involves drawing inspiration from the great superbike racers from 1979-1983:





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BTW, honda used the nighthawk platform to build it's own freddie tribute:



This is a factory RC42 freddie spencer tribute. I believe it was made 2005. It's basically piggy back shocks and paint, but it's not a bad way to go. That is stock RC42 bodywork.

something I would like to see someone do is make a "restomod" superbike race bike for the street, Something like this honda 599 based custom:
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BTW, honda used the nighthawk platform to build it's own freddie tribute:



This is a factory RC42 freddie spencer tribute. I believe it was made 2005. It's basically piggy back shocks and paint, but it's not a bad way to go. That is stock RC42 bodywork.

something I would like to see someone do is make a "restomod" superbike race bike for the street, Something like this honda 599 based custom:
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I think I need a few moments alone with this picture.

I assume it was a 1 off and not a production bike? I would love to look out my roll up door at work and stare at that thing while I wait to ride home.
 
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