And by grain you mean a solid block weiging a literal ton.I'd take any text or dialogue from DCC with a large grain of salt....
Never owned an avon tire but have been told they were good. Bought a new vette in 73 my 2nd one of 4 back then. Tires on it were the first radial put on the vettes. Firestone 500 it was called. I pulled up to a light car is not a week old. beside me are two girls in a ford capri. I start showing off with the now weak as wet toilet paper 454 , 4 speed. Going fast then backing off. Im now coming up fast on the back of a car in the right lane doing the 45 he was supposed to do. The speedo was saying 110 when I went into the left lane then quikly whipped it back in the right lane. Its now sliding sideways, then backwards then facing forward, kept it in the road. Less then 6 months later i hear on the news, Firestone 500 being recalled. Never owned a firestone since then. The three cars I owned before that manual steering my first power steering car one week driving it.not big enough.
To be fair, I bet dipshits eat stuff like this up. It makes them feel like they have some cool "inside" info and cultivate a culture of uninformed purchasing toward shallow ends.
Also to be fair I am not british, I have no concept of what the limeys did or didn't do in the 60's-80's. They could have called them deathmasters for all I know back then. I don't really think that gives a kid from say omaha nebraska who has never ridden on a set license or legitimatimacy to call them that, but hey I can't say they weren't for sure given that nickname.
In my limited experience they weren't bad. They weren't great either but if you are used to riding on bias ply tires they were better than most out there. I wouldn't trade a set of radials for them but I certainly would prefer them over a set of say Firestone Deluxe champion what have youse, since they are made by a real tire mfg and are speed an load rated for most 60's and 70's motorcycles (not 40's-50's harleys). I hear a lot of people complain about how they "follow" the marks in the road and the ruts and such but anybody who has ridden any bias ply tire motorcycle has that issue. Bias ply just isn't that great.
Which brings me to another rant and some focus to this thread. I think people are generally spoiled in this modern era. They have forgotten things like the quirk of carburated engines, bad tire tech, and worse brake tech. Once a week I hear a complaint about how their SOHC cb750 doesn't idle when cold without a little throttle and choke. No shit. my firend's all original 1966 bell air with 60K miles was the same way. my GTO was also the same way. Carbs for cars had a little tang to raise idle speed so you didn't have to hold the gas down while warming up but when was the last time someone saw a "choke" idiot light? Starting something carbed was a procedure, now with FI you just turn the key. Hell on my ducati I don't even have to hold down the button, just tap it once and the starter will keep cranking until the bike runs. Old tire tech was just that, old tire tech. A new set of avon road riders will bend over a speedmaster and take what it wants, and they are made by the same company out of mostly the same compounds. You can't buy an old tire design and expect it to work like a brand new set of radials.
Don't get me wrong I think the new stuff is wonderful and I wouldn't trade FI or modern tire tech for anything...but I don't complain about the quirks of the old stuff, it is kind of the charm of owning old stuff. I mean if I own a model T I am not about to start bitching about having to hand crank it to start but I feel like some of these new kid complaints are just that bitching a about a model T hand crank.
And this was somehow the tires fault, really?Never owned an avon tire but have been told they were good. Bought a new vette in 73 my 2nd one of 4 back then. Tires on it were the first radial put on the vettes. Firestone 500 it was called. I pulled up to a light car is not a week old. beside me are two girls in a ford capri. I start showing off with the now weak as wet toilet paper 454 , 4 speed. Going fast then backing off. Im now coming up fast on the back of a car in the right lane doing the 45 he was supposed to do. The speedo was saying 110 when I went into the left lane then quikly whipped it back in the right lane. Its now sliding sideways, then backwards then facing forward, kept it in the road. Less then 6 months later i hear on the news, Firestone 500 being recalled. Never owned a firestone since then. The three cars I owned before that manual steering my first power steering car one week driving it.
We forget how far tires have come. I was young and stupid back then, and wanted to put a set of the first race-compound Dunlop 291R Sport Elites on my street bike. The guy at the shop talked me out of it, and I'm so glad he did. Even the 291S's I did get would get a noticeable glaze on them overnight. They were downright scary for the first half-mile or so, much longer on a cool, wet morning.It's funny, I wonder if it was a product of the tread or the compound back then. Pirellii brought the phantom back for the ducati sport classic line and while they are a decent dry weather tire they kind of blow in the rain. They are more like a hard compound racing slick than a street tire.