[LiLBull]

15thousand for that hondasaki I do like the premise but a honda saki as a honda "replica "shame shame shame or not !I m sure there are loyalists but I think it doesnt matter the japanese bikes mostly are sourced in all the same places for the parts which make up the bikes.
http://www.discovolantemoto.co.uk/index.jsp
I like the bike ,15thousand is that a newly manufactured engine or a rebuilt old one.....15 thousand ...I still like the bike just not the price im sure i could build a HondaSaki for less and have much more fun with the cash left over to build a MotoZuki perhaps even a Hondayama.or just buy three of these . http://powersports.honda.com/motorc...lName=Dream+50R&ModelYear=2004&ModelId=CB50R4
or build my own Honda saki and buy only two of those...decisions decisions...no wait a vespascooter stuffed with a honda 400SOHC yeah thats the ticket ..




Edited by - LiLBull on Oct 17 2005 11:29:58 AM

 

[jbranson]

Uhhhh.....nah... I got better things to do.
JohnnyB

 

[Geeto67]

Honda makes their own replica of the dream 50 racer. A lot of money too ($6K).

Special construction and limited production bikes cost a lot of money, period. It's nice to see something like this in a territorry mostly dominated by harley davidson clones and old brit bikes. There are a lot of trick parts on that machine, and it would probably cost you the same amount to replicate it. If there is a market for this, than that gives me hope for the cb750 cafe racer kits I plan on marketing later next year (clip-ons, rearsets, seat, tank, and headlight/speedo combo) if I can get my act together.

I don't really see the point in griping about it becasue it is for a niche market of collectors and racers who fall outside the resourceful shoestring joe everyman mentaility of cafe racers built out of 70's japanese bikes. It's really nice, maybe it will drum up some interest for out type of motorcycles, but it is not the core of this hobby which is roll up your sleves and break out the welding torch.

 

[joe c]

we race against a few of them. imported into this country with all the hot parts. nothing new here.

jc

 

[jbranson]

Yeah...Hiroshi has about $14k into his including all the HRC stuff.

A year or so ago I'm helping him sort out a carb problem on the 50R and I joke..."Hey you should have brought an HRC wrench with you". He replies in all seriousness " I tried but they were all busy with the factory race bikes"...jeez, must be nice.

JohnnyB

 

[LiLBull]

it wasnt a 'GRIPE',it was a topic of discussion ,that would be of interest to speak of, in this forum .Seems there are a lot of lurkers and not a lot of contributers .So I was hoping to shake the tree and get some to post .seems like JB JOEC and a handful of others a very small amount post compared to all the posts read.So lurkers ...fellow caferacer fans,street or race trackers, dont be shy no one knows everything ...(well I can already think of someone that might object and Im new here...but thats a friendly observation)
ITS JUST when you have 2 responses and 48 people read the post you say who are these people why dont they say something then you think maybe they feel they have nothing to say ..well bull..your here you like caferacers as much as the posters do so come out and be known you lil ninjas.Show us your bike post a pic show us a pic of the bike you havent got yet hey even show the clubmans you bought for that bike you havent bought yet ....OK IVE MADE MY POINT.This Is a cool place it gets cooler when you get to know some more of you guys and girls. PS My point exactly as of this post 300 people looked at joe c bike and only 19 people cared to say they liked it or not silly for a group of 'caferacers' 200 people looked at hard core cafe and only a few said anything ...seeeeeeeeee!Whats a group of caferacers IF, we dont know each other. Any sport is about the sport or activity but you miss out so much when you dont meet the people!!!



Edited by - LiLBull on Oct 18 2005 07:12:36 AM

Edited by - LiLBull on Oct 18 2005 07:16:06 AM

 

[texmawby]

not gonna work dude.

most of us are shy and very sensitive.

like joe c.

he's a new age man.

-tex

 

[LiLBull]

Tex live up to your name THINK BIG like a texan should ,be proud !!! Remember the Alamo!!! yeahaaaaaaaaaaa!!!Now get up on that caferacer and go fetch a possi ...there are other cafers out there and we Got to Find them! now go, quick! there is not a lot of day light left...go..

 

[jbranson]

Hehe... I'm thinking the new guys have no idea how hardcore we are

Most of us are still winding down from our last race.

And most of us are snooty assholes that only talk to each other. That way we don't sound nearly as stupid as we might otherwise.

JohnnyB

PS. Here's some shots of Hiroshi's 50R...back about five years ago.
http://www.jrbranson.com/HondaRacer/honda/00-june-nhis.htm

Edited by - jbranson on Oct 18 2005 08:22:22 AM

 

[ROSKO]

JB- I gotta say, I love your site more and more with every 'secret' link you share......



BORN TO LURK, FORCED TO WORK.

 

[jbranson]

If the site wasn't organized like a piece of shit the links wouldn't be so secret
JohnnyB

 

[Geeto67]

quote: Hehe... I'm thinking the new guys have no idea how hardcore we are

Just how hardcore are ya?

 

[jbranson]

The majority of the "verbal" types here are accomplished bike builders and vintage racers. A lot spend the majority of their disposable income and time building and racing bikes, traveling to races all over the Northeast. A bunch of us all race in the same clubs, USCRA, AHRMA, WERA and know each other well from years of racing together.
Caferacer.net is just a small fraction of their participation in the world of motorcycles. Numerous guys with several race bikes and pretty much their entire life outside of work wrapped up in racing. Some of the guys like Aaron, John D., Unga, Chris M., Zack are very skilled, very fast riders. And a bunch of others are seriously dedicated racers on their way to becoming fast. Some are incrediably fast like Zack...who can manage 1:17's around Loudon on an RS125.

It's an amazing collection of bike building and racing talent here, you might not be able to tell amid all the silliness. A lot of us know each other on a personal level and we tend to converse as if we were at the track together. From carrying the back wheel into turn three to building carbon fiber parts, to designing and selling engine components, there is someone here that can, and has done it.

They may seem stupid...but it's just a disguise.
JohnnyB

 

[Geeto67]

I guess I don't even rise to the level of talented amature amoung this crowd - no real racing expirence (bracket drags, thats about it), and a small collection of old japanese street bikes.

 

[monkey]

dude

take those jap bikes off the street and get on the race track. tona o fun, cool bikes, cool people and good partys. do it

m tanner

 

[Geeto67]

quote:
dude

take those jap bikes off the street and get on the race track. tona o fun, cool bikes, cool people and good partys. do it

m tanner

I like street riding too much (yes I really like it, even in manhattan).

 

[jbranson]

Hey...most of them race more than me, have more bikes than me and are faster than me.
We've got guys like ex-pro racer Frank C., who is also owns a CNC machine company, is a tremendous designer and used to work for Yetman building frames...and sometimes he's even fast too.

I even force my wife to race.

http://www.jrbranson.com/HondaRacer/honda/2003_race_1.htm

You are in our area.... we'd love to have you racing with us. Club info here: http://www.race-uscra.com/

JohnnyB

 

[Geeto67]

quote: Hey...most of them race more than me, have more bikes than me and are faster than me.
We've got guys like ex-pro racer Frank C., who is also owns a CNC machine company, is a tremendous designer and used to work for Yetman building frames...and sometimes he's even fast too.

I even force my wife to race.

http://www.jrbranson.com/HondaRacer/honda/2003_race_1.htm

You are in our area.... we'd love to have you racing with us. Club info here: http://www.race-uscra.com/

JohnnyB

Didn't see that racing organization when I was doing my search and it seems to be closer than wera or ahrma series tracks.

While I have your attention, let me pick your brain for a second. I am 6'5" tall and weigh about 280lbs. From my understanding this puts me out of being competitive in anything less than a 500cc two stroke, not that I really want to be competitive, but I don't want to be a rolling roadblock either).

This also brings me to the issue of bikes, what bike do I cut up for a race bike. The only drum brake bikes I have right now are a 71t500 and a 65 honda dream. Since I am getting rid of the kz, the only bikes I can spare are disc brake bikes.

 

[JD]

quote:


Didn't see that racing organization when I was doing my search and it seems to be closer than wera or ahrma series tracks.

You should have looked right here. in the links at the top of the page click Racing and then Racing Links. Some need to be updated but you'll find a bunch of info.

JD (non-poster, semi-racer)

ps. Vintage 50 sounds like the class for you

 

[jbranson]

I'm 6'4" and a slim 195 lbs... I race 200cc bikes in 200gp. There are a few guys your size out there. But yeah...you'd be better off on a 350cc four stroke and above. I doubt you'd be a roadblock...there are always people slower.

You might want to look into one of the "Formula" Classes...I think they allow bikes up to about 1988, disk brake of course, larger displacement. You've probably got some contacts so a cheap bike of that era might not be hard to find for you. And many of them make suitable HP bone stock, so you could just strip it, do the basics and go racing. Numerous guys in those classes are in the 200+ lb category so while you'll be at some weight disadvantage it won't be extreme. In a lot of cases good riding can make up for a lot of weight.

The majority of our members are out there hoping to have fun and run middle of the pack, many just want to have fun period. I've had to face the fact that with my weight on a small bike I'll never out run some guys, but it's fun racing with the ones you can stay with.

Sounds like you have the resource and knowledge to prep a race bike pretty quick and without a lot of money. Your biggest $ would probably be race tires.
In general well find a place for you no matter what you bring...as long as it's not like a 1990+ sport bike. Even if you had to run "out of class" to get the feel of things. Meaning you could race but couldn't be counted in the results because the bike didn't fit into the class.

If you come up with an idea for a bike let us know. Someone here has probably raced one or tried to race one and might know some tricks to ease the path.

Believe me....you'll love it. It's very low pressure, bunch of good guys, we do race...but's it's gentleman's racing. Even coming in last is a ton of fun, just finishing a race is an accomplishment in the eyes of most people.
JohnnyB