Long time forum stalker, first time poster…
First off, this community is great and has been extremely helpful in providing context and insight as I dive into a project I’m working on.
I recently acquired a 1978 XS750 with the objective of bringing it back to life and going full cafe racer. It’s been a project I’ve wanted to take on for a while and I’ve finally made the leap. I have a background in motorcycles as I’ve grown up around them my whole life, and I have a background in maintenance as a crew chief in the USAF. I know helicopters and motorcycles don’t directly translate but it’s better than nothing.
I am aiming to diagnose a few things before I invest too much time and money, ie that electricals are good, and then engine, carbs, etc are in good order. Currently there is no sign of life from the bike from an electrics perspective and I’m wondering if I’m missing something. I’ve installed a new battery, checked fuses, and ground wire and from what I can see, everything looks good. However there is one wire that I’m not sure what purpose it serves or where it should be connected. I’ve included photos in this post. It’s a wire that goes to one of the ignition coils and then has a disconnected end by the battery.
Any thoughts as to what this might be? And any general words of wisdom as to what might be preventing the bike from sparking?
thanks again in advance for the help and I’m looking forward to being a part of this forum.
Step one clean thoroughly.
How do you work on anything that cruddy?
Never a good sign to have a bike that dirty with no airbox or filters. I always wonder what other than water moved inside.
Was that thing in a flood or mud puddle its looks worse than the bikes I saves from the chickens in a chicken coop.
Did you just look to see the ground straps were on the bike or did you clean them?
Fuse box? Mud box?
Funny shit really.
Start with cleaning all listed above.
Step one clean thoroughly.
How do you work on anything that cruddy?
Never a good sign to have a bike that dirty with no airbox or filters. I always wonder what other than water moved inside.
Was that thing in a flood or mud puddle its looks worse than the bikes I saves from the chickens in a chicken coop.
Did you just look to see the ground straps were on the bike or did you clean them?
Fuse box? Mud box?
Funny shit really.
Start with cleaning all listed above.
Hahahah ahhh thanks for the warm welcome! Yeah the bike has been sitting in a yard for a while and has seen some things it looks like….definitly need to do a thorough clean/rebuild of the carbs and engine. I only looked to see the ground straps and fuse box (all present and accounted for). Ill give them a thorough clean and see where we go from there.
Still strange about the cable though right?
thanks again for the speedy response, thoughts, and warm forum welcome
FYI: Make a big cup of coffee and pull out the multi-meter. Trace the ground from the battery to the frame/engine. Go through and disconnect and reconnect all the connectors you can find including the fuses. You would be surprised how often this fixes incurable electrical problems. Check ignition and switches for proper continuity and disconnect. Crimp connectors like the one shown often corrode and fail unless soldered.
Multi-meter is great if you know how to operate them from here it looks like the wiring is one of the smaller service problems. Agree with classic250 the purple shielded wire does not look original, much love and many parts this one needs to be nice again.
Alright boys! I’ve taken the advice given, gave the bike a shower, said bye bye cobwebs, and brought out the ol multimeter. Sure enough, we have progress!! I’ve been tracking the battery current wire by wire, and have managed to get the headlight, tail light, and horn on line and lighting up. Progress!! It’s going to be a journey getting this thing all the way to rideable but I’m committed and determined at this point. I’ll keep you all posted and I’ve started an Instagram for the build “diybikebuild” if anyone is interested.
Looks like next steps are ensuring power is going to the spark plugs, and then I’ll need to take apart, clean and rebuild the carbs and engine. Turns out….the bike was stored (and by “stored” I mean parked in a backyard for 20 years) with the spark plugs out. So gunk and god knows what has made its way into the engine…
I'd suggest a generous shot of WD40 down those sparkplug holes for now.
Go on with the sorting and sifting and fantasizing about the day it's done . Then,
A few days before cracking open the motor, split a 1 liter bottle of coke between the cylinders. Your rings should be rusted to the cylinder wall.
Coke eats everything.
If that doesn't do it, hydrologic pressure will.
Use a small pokey thing to identify the piston closest to tdc. Make a fitting to screw into the sparkplug hole with a grease fitting on top.
40 years and a hundred motorcycles ago I heard about an Kawasaki H3 in a guys back yard, in about the same shape as your new life partner there.
I convinced the cat that I would would take on his pain and suffering for free & dragged it home.
A crabby old guy named Sonny Angel, of all things, in San Diego passed this on to me.
Enjoy the adventure, it takes a certain kind to start bringing something to life that's been dead a decade.
The odyssey begins !
Cheers
Thanks for the info guys and Cricket that advice on getting into the cylinders was gold thank you! I’m heading to the store to get myself some coke, A bottle for the bike and a bottle for me, and a pokey thing.
In the meantime while the WD40 is loosing up the deposit build ups, I’ve taken apart the carbs, going to rebuild those, they look alright and I was going to drain all fluids but ran into a little problem. Somehow it seems that the engine is misaligned witb the bike frame. Unless I’m completely losing my mind and have had too many beers before going at the bolts. But both drain plugs under the engine are hitting the frame before they can be completely pulled out. Crazy right?? I’m thinking that can’t be a good sign…some sort of misalignment here. I guess instead of pulling the engine (or smashing in the frame with a hammer) I can drain the oil by removing the side covers (probably not the correct technical term) on the engine?
anyways, appreciate the insight so thank you and when this is running, everyone that’s helped me out here is getting a beer, a coke or a pokey thing. Your choice.
I don't know much about your bike, but I'm pretty sure you are mistaking crankcase bolts for your sump plug. I'm guessing the bolt highlighted in the pic is your sump plug. Most bikes (not all) only have one sump plug.
Ha! You’re 100% right. I just realized that and was coming back in to update my post before I got wrecked For being an idiot. Your right, mistook those bolts for the drain plugs. Phew!! Thanks for catching that.
add to that if they have copper washers; your should 'anneal' the copper to reuse them, simple step, you just heat copper until it glows, let it cool slow and it makes the copper washer softer to use a second or third time
Seems like you are just winging it, download and save the shop service manual for free from the carl salter site, you can't possibly service what you need to without it. Read and understand the whole manual first, if there is anything you don't understand in it, ask
Save up your old tooth brushes for cleaning things, they work great.
Do you have the original intake parts?
Whatever you do don't just stick some tiny pod filters directly on those CV carbs, the bike came fitted with intake stacks and it needs them.
If that sat for 20 years without spark plugs and was outside, you will need a re-bore and oversize pistons. May be easier and cheaper to get hold of XS850 block and pistons in good condition instead of boring what you have as it will probably be $500+ for pistons and bore vs <$200 for block/pistons
One of the best carb cleaning products I found out about was Pinesol. I have used it full strength. Use gloves as it will take your skin off but works great on the carbs. Rinse with hot water and blow dry with compressed air. The stuff is really amazing but dont soak for too long just enough to remove the grime and solidified petrol. So much for cleaning seems you never washed dishes or anything else. Get your moms advice I bet she can set you straight.
Alright the journey continues ladies and gents and “operation ressurection” has hit a bit of a corroded snag. Might need to emphasize the “ressurection” part of the title.
as the bike was stored in a backyard with no spark plugs in it I figured that there may be some debris in the cylinders that should be inspected before I start her up. Well…..it turns out there was a bit of “debris” and it looks pretty intense. Lots of build up in the 2nd cylinder and will need a significant amount of cleaning it the bike is to live again. Pictures provided and all suggestions are welcome. Of which I’m sure atleast 1/3 will be “get a new bike”. Thanks for going on the journey with me
I'm guessing that would be a conservative estimate. Sometimes it's good to take up a challenge, and sometimes it's good to, as Kenny Rogers says, know when to walk away and know when to run.....
The problem is, 3 grand canadian will buy you a complete XS750 that is ready to ride on the road, & realistically you're going to sink more coin then that into parts and labour just to get this one to run.
Well look at the bright side you found the mess before ordering a pile of parts. If you are looking for a different bike you should post up your location as people here love to spend other peoples money and may point out a good deal.
I have a confession to make…..and I may end up regretting this….if so I’ll admit it on this thread….I’m determined to bring this bike back to life. I know I know, it’s in rough condition (ie a rusted out heart) but I think there’s hope and also my wife said there’s no way I could get it running so…:there’s that challenge too. But I’m pressing on! I was able to source a rust/corrosion free engine block, I removed the old block (it was beyond any sort of salvaging) and it’s only appropriate that I update the title of this thread to Frankenstein Build. This bike will eventually be a compilation of donor parts from other bikes (hence the name “Frankenstein”), oh and it’s green which I’ll incorporate into the final paint job as well but here we go….again I might regret it but hey it’s about the journey along the way too as I try and bring this back to life bit by bit. Let the Frankenstein Build commence!
Is this an engine that should run when it has fuel and spark? It will be a learning process.
I got started on street bikes by purchasing GSXR 750 wrecks rebuilding and than street racing them. The first one I got still had the crusted blood all over the frame. My friends thought I was nutz. No one else that knew the bikes story would touch the thing. .
Wow that’s gnarly and thankfully I can skip the blood scrub step. Word on the “here’s an engine, good luck street” is that the engine should run with some fuel and spark. So let’s all keep our forum typing fingers crossed.
If this were me I would be pulling wheels, fork, and triples. I would replace wheel bearings, steering head bearings and rebuild the forks. While in that process I would inspect the swing arm bearings and lube or replace as needed. While at that I would be tempted to address the #1 important system on a motorcycle and I am not talking about the loose nut behind the bars as that runs #2 after the brake system. A bike at this age should get new seals, pistons, and lines as needed. FYI:Old pads no matter how good they look generally suck at least feel wise. Stopping is a good thing! This is all stuff I address on any used bike I purchase. On something newer i may just inspect most while replacing all the fluids. I think almost every used bike I have purchased handled better after the fork service, some were just dangerous prior to service.
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