helds are supposed to be the balls. t-bull has em. chris, and i know frank smith uses em. nice and soft for that work in the pits. way too expensive for me though. alpine stars is the way i think. the carbon kevlar thing works. steve d has a pair that he actually collapsed the carbon on. like it dented and kinked on somthing. i've also seen it burn through. but the dent i think would have really hurt if it had been just leather. so the armor is probably good.
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