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I don't know why, but I'm getting really mean lately

email from customer: will this $50 seat that says built for cb125 work on my cb750? I'm trying to copy a kott bike
email again as I didn't respond: is it possible?
me: I don't think the $50 cb125 seat would work on the cb750, doesn't kott sell those seats?
email from customer: he wants like $500 for that seat, yours is way cheaper, can you put that seat on one of your cb750's and send me pics?
me: with the upholstery? that sounds like a good price
email from customer: cmon man, stop trying to talk me out of a sale, I'm trying to buy one from you haha, is there any reason the cb125 seat won't work on the cb750?
me: you want to build a bike to replicate a builder you admire but aren't willing to buy the parts the builder sells to support that builders business?

I think I may need zoloft or something
 

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no, I think that was totally warranted.

Customer only cares about price. he doesn't care about work involved. My father always said the best revenge is to take their money, but really if you care about your business then dealing with a sub par customer like this is more hurtful to you than helpful because when he can't get it to fit it's your fault not his.

bikes cost money, if you want to save money go build plastic models.

BTW, link to the seat in question?
 

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email from customer: he wants like $500 for that seat, yours is way cheaper, can you put that seat on one of your cb750's and send me pics?
This is the part that kills me. It's pretty clear about the application and the guy already got his answer which was no (albeit a soft no in that you said "I don't think" instead of just flatly "no it won't fit") but he doesn't believe you. He wants you to waste your time over a $50 sale. Fuck him, tell him you charge $450 for special requests and that pictures where you mount parts to bikes they don't fit are are a special request.

Have you looked at the price of plastic model kits these days? The same car kits we used to buy for $7-$8 are now $25.
Yeah I have noticed that. I still find $8-13 kits at bargain discount stores (and even Michael's has models they can't move that they knock down to 50% off) but yeah that hobby got wicked expensive. I forget where I was that I saw actual old MPC kits from the 70's (not the reissued ones they have now) that were $8 a pop but if I see it again I am going to pick some up. Cheap Johns in the 1990s used to be my favorite for this kind of stuff because it was old old kits from the 70's for $3 a pop, too bad they all closed down now. I actually have more kits than I will ever get around to building, so Jim if you want to....ya know what you have so much more stuff you will never get to before you die so probably best not to let you fall down the rabbit hole of my new in box (and shrink wrap) collection of rare and discontinued model kits.

Besides, if you are really thrifty you can buy partial builds off ebay for pennies and kit bash what you need together.
 

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I forget where I was that I saw actual old MPC kits from the 70's (not the reissued ones they have now) that were $8 a pop but if I see it again I am going to pick some up. I actually have more kits than I will ever get around to building, so Jim if you want to....ya know what you have so much more stuff you will never get to before you die so probably best not to let you fall down the rabbit hole of my new in box (and shrink wrap) collection of rare and discontinued model kits.
Right there with you on the boxed kits (none of mine still have the shrink wrap though). 1/48 scale WWI aircraft (the old Aurora kits in particular) are my weakness. I forget if you were even in my office but you would remember all the Fokker triplanes? If you find a cache of old MPC kits cheap, grab any of the zap-action Pirates of the Caribbean or Haunted Mansion kits for me.
 

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I'm thinking of melting scrap British bike parts down to make hipster ear bolts and belt buckles like jalsteve mentioned somewhere else.

I reckon by the time I've finished writing some nostalgic nonsense about its origins being from the 1960's, fueled by testosterone and 4 star petrol in a bid for 100mph while the needle in a scratched 45 piece of vinyl was the measure of time, they will sell for loads.
 

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see what I was saying about brand identity adding value? though he seems to do jap bikes, must be because he's in LA... that town's all weird
I wonder if he sells any of them. I also wonder how much is brand identity and how much is just keeping the people that watch "cafe cowboy" and want to jump his bandwagon at bay.

"Cafe cowboy" is Still the worst name for a bullshit hipster bike video. Sounds like a bad porno.
 

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Haha, as long as you are running a business that caters to a hobby that draws in dumb hipsters, you'll get questions like this.
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. It seems to me that your version of "no it won't fit" sounded too much like "yeah it might fit, if you're clever enough".
That said, was checking out that $50 seat myself. It looks like a decent piece, and is probably light and strong. Is it plastic?
I'm not going to put it on a 750, of course. Is it just too narrow for the frame rails for anything bigger than a 175?
Maybe if enough idiots ride motorcycles, they'll eventually go extinct, but I doubt it.
 

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well crap.

I am gonna start spotwelding flayed open campbell soup cans to cheap steel cake pans and selling those for 150.
 

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yup... unfortunately I designed that seat because of the questions about tiny bikes I kept getting, and just because of the ridiculously small size of it and hence, very little material used, plus a mold that worked really well because of the draft angles, the pricing could be pretty low. what wound up happening wasn't exactly what I expected... once I put that seat up, for every 10 seats I sell, 8 of them are that one. now I KNOW there wasn't that big of a market for those tiny bikes, so I eventually figured out that what most "builders" were doing is just going through the web looking for the lowest price on all the cliche cafe parts, and that one was the lowest price, of course it didn't fit any of those bikes they were working on, but that didn't stop anyone, I'd say 95% of the bikes that seat was bought for will never wind up as anything more than parts in a garage, and the other 4% were exchanged for larger seats, the remaining 1% were probably 125's...

as far as strength, yeah, it's a good part, all my parts are now vacuum infused, partially because of the strength and low defect rate and partially because I was incredibly sick of laying up by hand and my shop smelling like resin no matter how good my downdraft lamination booth was working
 

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I wonder if he sells any of them. I also wonder how much is brand identity and how much is just keeping the people that watch "cafe cowboy" and want to jump his bandwagon at bay.

"Cafe cowboy" is Still the worst name for a bullshit hipster bike video. Sounds like a bad porno.
reminds me of midnight cowboy... the trashiness conveyed by that movie still gives me the heebiejeebies
 

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yup... unfortunately I designed that seat because of the questions about tiny bikes I kept getting, and just because of the ridiculously small size of it and hence, very little material used, plus a mold that worked really well because of the draft angles, the pricing could be pretty low. what wound up happening wasn't exactly what I expected... once I put that seat up, for every 10 seats I sell, 8 of them are that one. now I KNOW there wasn't that big of a market for those tiny bikes, so I eventually figured out that what most "builders" were doing is just going through the web looking for the lowest price on all the cliche cafe parts, and that one was the lowest price, of course it didn't fit any of those bikes they were working on, but that didn't stop anyone, I'd say 95% of the bikes that seat was bought for will never wind up as anything more than parts in a garage, and the other 4% were exchanged for larger seats, the remaining 1% were probably 125's...
so put it in real numbers. On your best month for those seats how many did you sell and how many were returned? Forget about the ones that the buyer kept and probably didn't fit and thew ones that were actually for small bikes. If you don't want to share this info publically you can pm me or if not all tell me to fuck off. I have a feeling some of your problems could be solved by just raising the price to slow down the false buyers. Also do you actually offer a return policy? for such an inexpensive part it might be worth it to just tell your customers no refunds on this item.

Also we should probably talk about your item description, maybe a rewrite is in order.
 
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