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Anybody know why honda would have 2 different part numbers for the same part on the same make/model/year bike?

I am looking at the carb intake rubbers for the 1976 cj360T and honda has 2 parts numbers listed for the same part and both are listed as available. otherwise the part looks identical. Any idea why they did this?
 

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I guess it is possible the part was updated, I have ran into this a few times when working on cars

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Geets,
Typically an old parts book will show the bike serial numbers for the update. ie. Part #1 good for xxxxx - xxxxx and part #2 good for xxxxx - xxxxx etc.
See it quite a bit in the late 60's parts books. I think either part will fit in a lot of cases but the serial number reference is there anyway. Sometimes there was a sizable update where the parts won't interchange...but usually you'll notice numerous other parts in the same category with different part numbers.
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they will supercede part numbers, but keep the numbers active. so say if you order 000043, and the new number is 4567....you will get 4567. happens all the time. the obvious answer i think is with a illion different schematics out there, they cant just ditch one number and add another. im sure there is a good reason for changing the number. i mean, they are honda.

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the thing is this doesn't look like a superceeded part number. I was looking at honda parts direct's fiche and it literally shows both parts on the fiche. Normally when there is a superceede it is indicated in red on the part number.
 

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yeah, i dont know how true that is. or i guess how often ive seen it. but i do agree with branson. i had originally written that you see it with carb parts alot for some reason. at least on the cb350s. the numbers are all over the place sometimes. again i think they keep the same numbers in the system as a favor to people with old bits. why they initially change the number i dont know. inventory or something.

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Honda uses a 3 part part number system. The first 5 digits describe the kind of part,i.e. all head gaskets will have the same first 5 digits 12251 for instance. The next 3 digits are the product code for the original use i.e. 369. The last series of digits are used to distinguish variations in the parts. 000 is the original part, 010 means it has been modified once but is interchangeable with the original. However it can also mean a difference in manufacturer, i.e. ND points might be 670 and Hitachi points might be 671. Honda also will put a color code or size into the last series of digits. If you already knew this about Honda part numbers, nevermind.
How different are the part numbers? Honda may have used two different suppliers of rubber parts. I believe either part will work fine and by the time you actually order them they may have both been superceded to yet a third number.

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Geeto,

What part is it that you need--the rubber part that goes between the carb and the aircleaner, or the rubber part that goes between the clyinder head and the carb?

I need both of those too for my 75 CB360T, which has become my favorite bike--rode it 50 miles yesterday in the woodstock ride.

What is the difference between a CB and a CJ. I see lots of parts listed for the CJ.

Do you have a link for the parts list?

Thanks,
Jack
 

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jack,

the cj is the stripper cafe racer model of the cb series - kick start only a wide ratio roadrace style five speed instead of a close ratio 6 speed, a 2 into 1, braced frame, and bodywork that looks like a 75-78 cb750F. It is also lighter than the cb360 and cl360. Other than the no starter and the 5 speed the motor is the same as the cb/cl 360s. The CJ is kinda rare because it was only made for 2 years 75-76, and only in one color (dark red with blue and gold graphics). The part I need is the rubber going from the carb into the head.

Ken,

that is the weird part both par numbers have a 000 third set of codes:

http://www.hondaparts-direct.com/fiche_section_detail.asp

one is: 16211-369-000
the other is: 16211-403-000

both appear on the fiche picture. The later looks like it takes an o-ring while the former uses a gasket. my only though on this is they changed the design mid season and offered both parts. The later part because of the o-ring is also 71 cents more expensive.

if you look on the fiche it is both part #8 and part #9.
 

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Not quite on topic but I have always noticed that there are few interchangeable parts on earlier Hondas versus a brand like Suzuki. The explanation I was given is that it was a mark of honor to design parts for motorcycles and each Honda engineer/designer left their imprint on the parts they designed by having them specific to a particular model. Supposedly that's why parts are interchangeable between odd models (points on a CB450 working on an early Goldwing for example) and not on other bikes that would seem more likely. Of course that could be complete BS and the real reason is Honda had the cash flow to have a large parts inventory where Suzuki had to be more frugal and use generic parts across several model lines. This seems likely as Suzuki started to shed some of their interchangeable parts as their sales grew with the 4 stroke GS series bikes......

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Geeto,
So th part of the number that is different is the middle which means that the parts were original to product code 369 Whatever bike that is and the other one is original to bike 403. I used to have many of the bike numbers memorized but not anymore. I have seen a list of those somewhere on the net. I will look for it and post a link.

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interesting. I notice that the product code listed for a CJ360T is 388. Maybe the 403 is for something not for the US market and there are so few parts that are original to that model here that it is not in the list.
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I know what CB175 they used a lot of carry over parts from the CB/CL 160....the CB175 part number would still have the CB160 three digit code.

The most rare and valuable parts book ever produced by Honda (My dealer parts guy has only seen a couple of them printed) is a part code cross reference. Meaning they give a part number and then all the bike codes that the part will fit. It mostly deals with more common parts like filters, brake parts...but does list some engine parts and the like. I've looked high and low for one and I've never found one. I don't even know if they ever publish them anymore. The way Honda does their part numbers an oil filter from one bike could fit another bike perfectly and it would never show up on the computer because the three digit code in the middle is different.
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PS. I don't see a 403 in any of my literature...I see 404 and 405 and 401.



Edited by - jbranson on Jul 16 2007 8:11:42 PM
 

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I am going to go out on a whim here and go with the cb360 part number since the motors seem to be the same (atleast use the same head). that is the 369 number.
 

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Geeto,

Is this the part # you ordered. Carb. insulator is what they call it.

16211-369-000

Let me know if they are the right thing when you get it as I need two also.

Thanks,
Jack
 
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