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Which of course means I'm not liking Aaron very much 
Speaking of tear-downs. I'm dying for someone to protest me at some point. Hey...maybe I can protest myself! If anyone is really curious it's a 56mm bore and 41mm stroke (x2) for 202cc... same as Aaron's bike, same as Mary's bike, in fact we all use the same pistons.
Next year I may be right on the limit with a 57mm bore for about 209cc. The bike just plain handles great, stops well, weighs about 210 lbs. I don't let off the throttle in turn 1 until after the last brake marker and I don't use the brakes except in turn three, a bit into six, a bit into the new turn 10, and a bit more in the left hander before the chicane.
When Mary learns to keep the throttle open... look out. At 70 lbs lighter than me she should already have a better power to weight ratio. You gotta keep the throttle wide open on these things, and it's hugely important to get on the gas as soon as humanly possible in the corners.
Aaron if there is a track day before the races next year I'm definately putting you on my bike for some laps. I'm very curious what it would do with a lighter rider. Then the big question is...if you whoop off a couple of 1:32's ...there might have to be some contract negotiations. Cause in the long run it's more important that we beat the two strokes than it is who's riding it.
I of course like to think it's all me, not the bike
JohnnyB
Speaking of tear-downs. I'm dying for someone to protest me at some point. Hey...maybe I can protest myself! If anyone is really curious it's a 56mm bore and 41mm stroke (x2) for 202cc... same as Aaron's bike, same as Mary's bike, in fact we all use the same pistons.
Next year I may be right on the limit with a 57mm bore for about 209cc. The bike just plain handles great, stops well, weighs about 210 lbs. I don't let off the throttle in turn 1 until after the last brake marker and I don't use the brakes except in turn three, a bit into six, a bit into the new turn 10, and a bit more in the left hander before the chicane.
When Mary learns to keep the throttle open... look out. At 70 lbs lighter than me she should already have a better power to weight ratio. You gotta keep the throttle wide open on these things, and it's hugely important to get on the gas as soon as humanly possible in the corners.
Aaron if there is a track day before the races next year I'm definately putting you on my bike for some laps. I'm very curious what it would do with a lighter rider. Then the big question is...if you whoop off a couple of 1:32's ...there might have to be some contract negotiations. Cause in the long run it's more important that we beat the two strokes than it is who's riding it.
I of course like to think it's all me, not the bike
JohnnyB
Thanks for the new topic, champppy. This is long.
1. I am putting together the next issue of exhausted notes in the next few days, I promise it'll be in the mail in about two weeks.
2. The 175. It ran well in practice, then it went to shit. Finished last behind Yoohoo girl. Really depressing. But it did run for the entire race, the first time all summer. Finally got the bike out of the van (it's been raining, funeral, etc) and thought about a few things, bear with me.
3. I thought after a discussion sunday night with JB about the need for still air to get into carbs and JB saw a loss of power without air cleaners, D'OH!!, I was the only guy running without air cleaners, just open carbs. So I put a pair of cleaners on. Really didn't help.
4. SO I look at the engine, and this is on the used head that I put on right before the race that I got from JB, (I still have to send you a check (I would if that guys check didn't bounce, a fellow uscra member who bought my Norton--let's not get into who or how pissed I am about it) and i realized that a bolt was missing out of one of the carb to head connections and the carb was ever so slightly leaning down and I could push slightly on the carb and there was a big air leak. That hole was stripped. So I got a longer bolt and it's fine, engine runs better.
5. I also retarded timing before the race, like a jackass. Bad move. So sometime soon I am going to drill a goddamn hole in the cover and find out where the timing really is, as I have only ever just made it run. Don't have a clue. I know when I advance it too far, it won't run, and when I retard it a lot, it's like shit. So I gotta time it right.
6. SO I fix all this stuff, and it runs well, but it stilll hiccups. So today I am going to get rid of the 1960s kill switch ( a headlamp push pull switch out of a car ) and hard wire it to see if that is an issue, as was discussed on the skulls line.
7. I want to eliminate the LAST variable. The carbs. I need to get a new pair. What's recommended? Those cool intakes are 25mm. But over the winter, as I now have three vertical heads, I'm gonna switch to the vertical and just make a new exhaust. the carbs are now the ONLY thing that I haven't changed on this bike. As JB noticed, they are old. They still have the slide cable thingys. Can I use flat slide Mikunis?
8. While my riding still needs to be improved (HEY it's only my second year) I thought the bike handles great on the track. Needs a stiffer rear and smaller tires. It was obivous from when the bike runs well that I can at least keep up with Mary (though shes ahead of me) and Yoohoo, (denise?) Tire recommendations? Shit, just spend more money.
Too bad you guys aren't coming to the island today. good party at Dave and Mary's. Usually two kegs. And firearms. Last winter I got a deer from about 10 yards with my compound bow.
scott
1. I am putting together the next issue of exhausted notes in the next few days, I promise it'll be in the mail in about two weeks.
2. The 175. It ran well in practice, then it went to shit. Finished last behind Yoohoo girl. Really depressing. But it did run for the entire race, the first time all summer. Finally got the bike out of the van (it's been raining, funeral, etc) and thought about a few things, bear with me.
3. I thought after a discussion sunday night with JB about the need for still air to get into carbs and JB saw a loss of power without air cleaners, D'OH!!, I was the only guy running without air cleaners, just open carbs. So I put a pair of cleaners on. Really didn't help.
4. SO I look at the engine, and this is on the used head that I put on right before the race that I got from JB, (I still have to send you a check (I would if that guys check didn't bounce, a fellow uscra member who bought my Norton--let's not get into who or how pissed I am about it) and i realized that a bolt was missing out of one of the carb to head connections and the carb was ever so slightly leaning down and I could push slightly on the carb and there was a big air leak. That hole was stripped. So I got a longer bolt and it's fine, engine runs better.
5. I also retarded timing before the race, like a jackass. Bad move. So sometime soon I am going to drill a goddamn hole in the cover and find out where the timing really is, as I have only ever just made it run. Don't have a clue. I know when I advance it too far, it won't run, and when I retard it a lot, it's like shit. So I gotta time it right.
6. SO I fix all this stuff, and it runs well, but it stilll hiccups. So today I am going to get rid of the 1960s kill switch ( a headlamp push pull switch out of a car ) and hard wire it to see if that is an issue, as was discussed on the skulls line.
7. I want to eliminate the LAST variable. The carbs. I need to get a new pair. What's recommended? Those cool intakes are 25mm. But over the winter, as I now have three vertical heads, I'm gonna switch to the vertical and just make a new exhaust. the carbs are now the ONLY thing that I haven't changed on this bike. As JB noticed, they are old. They still have the slide cable thingys. Can I use flat slide Mikunis?
8. While my riding still needs to be improved (HEY it's only my second year) I thought the bike handles great on the track. Needs a stiffer rear and smaller tires. It was obivous from when the bike runs well that I can at least keep up with Mary (though shes ahead of me) and Yoohoo, (denise?) Tire recommendations? Shit, just spend more money.
Too bad you guys aren't coming to the island today. good party at Dave and Mary's. Usually two kegs. And firearms. Last winter I got a deer from about 10 yards with my compound bow.
scott
SO I fix all this stuff, and it runs well, but it stilll hiccups. So today I am going to get rid of the 1960s kill switch
Scotster,
I don't have a kill switch-Todd Henning told me along time ago to get rid of it. I hard wire from batt. to coil with a connection in between. and I also double ground from batt. I dnf once because of a shitty kill switch. Put a fake one on the clip if your worried about tech.
Champ
Scotster,
I don't have a kill switch-Todd Henning told me along time ago to get rid of it. I hard wire from batt. to coil with a connection in between. and I also double ground from batt. I dnf once because of a shitty kill switch. Put a fake one on the clip if your worried about tech.
Champ
Scott,
Set the timing at 40-45 degrees...closer to 40 for your engine. Closer to 45 if you think you'll be turning revs up around 12k.
Carbs. At the very least try to find a set off a later model CB175...I've seen both 18mm and 20mm, not sure what years what carbs come from. If you want to do it up right, find a set of SL350K1 24mm carbs. They will work well on a stock or modified head. Or if you want to spend $200 get a set of brand new Keihin PE 24 race carbs (Sudco). Might be a bit much for an unmodified head though.
Are you going to be at Frontier Land? You can trade me a vertical head instead of cash if you want.
If you get tires...get the Dunlop KR825, front and back.
JohnnyB
Set the timing at 40-45 degrees...closer to 40 for your engine. Closer to 45 if you think you'll be turning revs up around 12k.
Carbs. At the very least try to find a set off a later model CB175...I've seen both 18mm and 20mm, not sure what years what carbs come from. If you want to do it up right, find a set of SL350K1 24mm carbs. They will work well on a stock or modified head. Or if you want to spend $200 get a set of brand new Keihin PE 24 race carbs (Sudco). Might be a bit much for an unmodified head though.
Are you going to be at Frontier Land? You can trade me a vertical head instead of cash if you want.
If you get tires...get the Dunlop KR825, front and back.
JohnnyB
Branson - I was saying Mr. Socks likes men not you. And I will say its not the power of my bike that's the problem. Last fall I asked you to make my bike fast, I should have said make my bike fast and go around corners. Everything you've helped me with works great. I have some great shots from the ultra light weight race with Doug, Strempfer (Mr. Socks), Frank and I going through the chicane together. I actually had a nice little race with frank until I drove off the track. You guys kept getting faster in the corners and I kept trying to not piss my paints. I just don't want people to think the power is to blame, I'm obviously not driving my sloper like the Bransons.
Scott - Thanks for the email. Also I used to run straight wiring like John and ran in to tech problems with other clubs. I run a kill switch that Pete T. sell for about $14. Works great, seems very reliable. If your not going to run with other clubs I wouldn't run a kill switch but I do see where if I was a corner worker that it might make my life easier to be able to turn the bike off.
Aaron
Scott - Thanks for the email. Also I used to run straight wiring like John and ran in to tech problems with other clubs. I run a kill switch that Pete T. sell for about $14. Works great, seems very reliable. If your not going to run with other clubs I wouldn't run a kill switch but I do see where if I was a corner worker that it might make my life easier to be able to turn the bike off.
Aaron
Ok Aaron... I like you again. I know you were probably holding your breath for that.
I don't know if I could use a push buttom kill switch...it would have to be a type that stayed on or stayed off if you know what I mean. And it would have to be obvious which position it was in by looking at it cause I'm real bad about making sure the bikes are turned off.
I still have to look at the label I put on mine to know whether it's on or off. Maybe I could rubber mount my toggle switch. Or hook a tiny steering damper to it. Dgy had a good idea with the plug on a string sort of thing.
So Aaron, what the deal with the front end, what's the mystery problem you found? Gotta be something serious.
JohnnyB
I don't know if I could use a push buttom kill switch...it would have to be a type that stayed on or stayed off if you know what I mean. And it would have to be obvious which position it was in by looking at it cause I'm real bad about making sure the bikes are turned off.
I still have to look at the label I put on mine to know whether it's on or off. Maybe I could rubber mount my toggle switch. Or hook a tiny steering damper to it. Dgy had a good idea with the plug on a string sort of thing.
So Aaron, what the deal with the front end, what's the mystery problem you found? Gotta be something serious.
JohnnyB
What are those...the slow guys group pictures?
Looks like fun back there, I'm gonna have to stick my dick in the spokes to slow down or something....yeah it will reach.
Aaron, your style there doesn't look as weird as I remember, can't have much to do with your handling problems.
I see in the first photo that Frank is taking one of his usual kamikazee lines, going a different direction than everyone else but somehow still getting the bike turned.
If you had a really wide angle lens you might have been able to get me in the photo....ok then..maybe an aerial photo would have done it.
Hey...give me a break, let me enjoy my new found and probably very short lived success.
JohnnyB
PS. Does anybody remember the web site for the guy their taking picutures... something like racephotos.com or something.
Edited by - jbranson on Sep 12 2004 05:06:36 AM
Looks like fun back there, I'm gonna have to stick my dick in the spokes to slow down or something....yeah it will reach.
Aaron, your style there doesn't look as weird as I remember, can't have much to do with your handling problems.
I see in the first photo that Frank is taking one of his usual kamikazee lines, going a different direction than everyone else but somehow still getting the bike turned.
If you had a really wide angle lens you might have been able to get me in the photo....ok then..maybe an aerial photo would have done it.
Hey...give me a break, let me enjoy my new found and probably very short lived success.
JohnnyB
PS. Does anybody remember the web site for the guy their taking picutures... something like racephotos.com or something.
Edited by - jbranson on Sep 12 2004 05:06:36 AM
im insane. stupid. brainless. I've been telling you guys all along that I've never put a timing light to the 175. So I finally decided I had to do it, and you guys never said JUST DO IT!!
SO I found an old side cover and took half of the top off so I could see the timing marks. First timing, I estimate I was at 80 to 90 BTDC. Cheech. Set it to what I'd say is 40 degrees or so based on the marks on the crank, and whhoooosh. Finally Dialed in Sweet. No hiccups, it idles, theres acceleration, and power. I'll be bringing it to Frontierland. i just want to be able to sort of keep up. It's sunday, so I couldn't really get in a good ride (iwas told yesterday it was too loud. I tried to explain that i was under 101 db, but that didn't work) so I'll punch it tomorrow afternoon.
PS Good party lst night. Tim Courts and his other, (I do not know her name) and Pete T. and Denise and Mike and kyle (the new sidecar rig guys from Appleton) and the women and Dave Katz, looking depressed.
evil
SO I found an old side cover and took half of the top off so I could see the timing marks. First timing, I estimate I was at 80 to 90 BTDC. Cheech. Set it to what I'd say is 40 degrees or so based on the marks on the crank, and whhoooosh. Finally Dialed in Sweet. No hiccups, it idles, theres acceleration, and power. I'll be bringing it to Frontierland. i just want to be able to sort of keep up. It's sunday, so I couldn't really get in a good ride (iwas told yesterday it was too loud. I tried to explain that i was under 101 db, but that didn't work) so I'll punch it tomorrow afternoon.
PS Good party lst night. Tim Courts and his other, (I do not know her name) and Pete T. and Denise and Mike and kyle (the new sidecar rig guys from Appleton) and the women and Dave Katz, looking depressed.
evil
thats dave katz actually happy. but thats also rare. tims girfriend is carrie, or keri, or carry, anyway, thats her name. she totally kicks ass. that is a good party. and i guess thats why aaron was driving to maine when i talked to him last night. funny. he and mike come from 20mins from each other, but drive seperately. although, mike might have ridden up. anyway..
later
later
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