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Newbie here!

Just came upon this great forum. I've been away from bikes for a few years but just picked up a 79 cb400t 'project' which I'm hoping to get back on the road with. Modifications will come a little at a time, but I'm definitely leaning 'cafe'.

I'd really appreciate any leads on performance exhaust (preferably black), recommendations on tires, or cafe style fairings which would suit. Also, any advice/leads on rearsets? (looks like if I set the pegs back then the kickstart won't work - could be tough with no elec, start!) Or I'd love just to hear from anyone with a similar bike.

It's great to be biking again - hope to hear from you!

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Watch out steve these guys will fuck with your head!

Steve, if you don't have access to a dyno leave the stock pipes on it. Honda's run good and reliable with the stock exhaust. If you change the pipes your going to have to rejet.

Put some air filters on it, take EVERYTHING off of it that doesn't mak it go down the road (including the speedo), add a solo seat and run that mofo.

As for rear sets can't tell ya - make your own.
Made my own clipons.



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Watch out steve these guys will fuck with your head!

Steve, if you don't have access to a dyno leave the stock pipes on it. Honda's run good and reliable with the stock exhaust. If you change the pipes your going to have to rejet.

Put some air filters on it, take EVERYTHING off of it that doesn't mak it go down the road (including the speedo), add a solo seat and run that mofo.

As for rear sets can't tell ya - make your own.
Made my own clipons.



My 1975 CL360 in the works




If you build it they will ride - ill.
 

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Hey guys - thanks for the feedback. That looks like one wild ride you have in the works there. Not sure I'm up to that much custom work; maybe after I get in a little ride time first. And yes, lower bars are definitely coming. We have a local bike show/swap next Saturday so I'm hoping to pick up a few things there.

Not sure how to post a pic or I'd show you my bike (now) and what I'd like to do with it.
 

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Hey guys - thanks for the feedback. That looks like one wild ride you have in the works there. Not sure I'm up to that much custom work; maybe after I get in a little ride time first. And yes, lower bars are definitely coming. We have a local bike show/swap next Saturday so I'm hoping to pick up a few things there.

Not sure how to post a pic or I'd show you my bike (now) and what I'd like to do with it.
 

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Don't listen to imslow - he's evil!

Dude you bought a hawk, the singlehandedly slowest motorcycle I have ever ridden and the one with no aftermarket what so ever. Seriously, leave the gas cap open and begin flinging lit matches at it - you'll be doing the world a favor (don't forget to film it). And you bought one that is a project, that is like saying "I bought herpes".

ok jokes aside, why did you buy this lump? and how much did you pay? The biggest newbie problem I see is that guys will by bikes for what they think are deals and then find out that there was a really good reason nobody has been fighting over this bike to restore it to perfection. If somebody had given you a cb750, rd350, kz1000, or any hos of neat old jap bikes my opinion would be greatly different but you bought a bike that is going to cost 5 times what it is worth to do any work to it. I mean is it that hard to resisit picking up every piece of crap flung at you and do a little reasearch before throwing very good money after a very bad bike. At this point don't bring your bike to a shop, consider the cost you have in it the cost of an education and now you are going to have to learn. If this thing has any kind of internal motor trouble requiring a rebuild (aside from usual carb issues), throw it out and start over.

a 1979 cb400T is worth $500 running, titled, and ready to ride everyday with good paint. I have turned them down for less in that confition and told a friend of mine he could keep one after he told me I could have it for free (running and registered). There are onyl two hawks I consider worth saving, one is the cb400 that looks like a mini supersport (cb400N) and the other is the hawk GT650 (badass little bike). They make great learner bikes for riding but you out grow them quickly and if they aren't running they aren't worth dick.

more to come but I got to go to work.

We are not trying to scare you off but I am not goingto be all nice and shiney about what I feel is newbie mistake #1 - buying a bike that you know nothing about because it was there.
 

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Don't listen to imslow - he's evil!

Dude you bought a hawk, the singlehandedly slowest motorcycle I have ever ridden and the one with no aftermarket what so ever. Seriously, leave the gas cap open and begin flinging lit matches at it - you'll be doing the world a favor (don't forget to film it). And you bought one that is a project, that is like saying "I bought herpes".

ok jokes aside, why did you buy this lump? and how much did you pay? The biggest newbie problem I see is that guys will by bikes for what they think are deals and then find out that there was a really good reason nobody has been fighting over this bike to restore it to perfection. If somebody had given you a cb750, rd350, kz1000, or any hos of neat old jap bikes my opinion would be greatly different but you bought a bike that is going to cost 5 times what it is worth to do any work to it. I mean is it that hard to resisit picking up every piece of crap flung at you and do a little reasearch before throwing very good money after a very bad bike. At this point don't bring your bike to a shop, consider the cost you have in it the cost of an education and now you are going to have to learn. If this thing has any kind of internal motor trouble requiring a rebuild (aside from usual carb issues), throw it out and start over.

a 1979 cb400T is worth $500 running, titled, and ready to ride everyday with good paint. I have turned them down for less in that confition and told a friend of mine he could keep one after he told me I could have it for free (running and registered). There are onyl two hawks I consider worth saving, one is the cb400 that looks like a mini supersport (cb400N) and the other is the hawk GT650 (badass little bike). They make great learner bikes for riding but you out grow them quickly and if they aren't running they aren't worth dick.

more to come but I got to go to work.

We are not trying to scare you off but I am not goingto be all nice and shiney about what I feel is newbie mistake #1 - buying a bike that you know nothing about because it was there.
 

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Wow! How can one biker forum single-handedly have attracted all of the riders who don't actually "get" what riding is really about. I thought riders were part of a brotherhood (or sisterhood) of people who shared a common interest, not necessarily common opinions (wouldn't that make us oh so interesting).

When this guy said he is a "newbie", he meant to this site, not to bikes in general. I happen to know he has done some amazing things to bikes over the years and has spent more time behind the bars of a bike riding across this continent that most of us could ever dream of doing.

As for the value of the "Hawk", he actually never asked for anyone's opinion of it. He did ask for advice in a few specific areas from people who actually know something. ALL bikes can have value beyond what the market will pay for it to the person who owns it. I may love Hondas from the sixties and you may be all about big-bore, late model sport bikes. That's fine! We're allowed to each enjoy the thing we like for whatever reason we deem to be important to us!

How can one rider justify discouraging another from enjoying our sport? I sincerely hope this forum is made up of better people who are more dedicated riders than this!
 

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Wow! How can one biker forum single-handedly have attracted all of the riders who don't actually "get" what riding is really about. I thought riders were part of a brotherhood (or sisterhood) of people who shared a common interest, not necessarily common opinions (wouldn't that make us oh so interesting).

When this guy said he is a "newbie", he meant to this site, not to bikes in general. I happen to know he has done some amazing things to bikes over the years and has spent more time behind the bars of a bike riding across this continent that most of us could ever dream of doing.

As for the value of the "Hawk", he actually never asked for anyone's opinion of it. He did ask for advice in a few specific areas from people who actually know something. ALL bikes can have value beyond what the market will pay for it to the person who owns it. I may love Hondas from the sixties and you may be all about big-bore, late model sport bikes. That's fine! We're allowed to each enjoy the thing we like for whatever reason we deem to be important to us!

How can one rider justify discouraging another from enjoying our sport? I sincerely hope this forum is made up of better people who are more dedicated riders than this!
 

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problem with some of the oddball honda models like the cb400t is that no one races them, so no one makes aftermarket performance parts for them.

performance exhaust.....well what carbs are you putting on the bike? are you gonna port the head? does anyone even make a cam for it other than oem? gonna have to answer that before you can start with performance exhaust, and then, you'll probably have to make your own.

tires.....avons or metzlers...but again, need more info as to what kind of riding or racing your gonna do.

rearsets.....either find some modern crash spares on ebay that you can modify to work, or again....make your own.

welcome to the fold. i don't care if your a newbie to motorbikes or this site......your welcome all the same.

peace,

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problem with some of the oddball honda models like the cb400t is that no one races them, so no one makes aftermarket performance parts for them.

performance exhaust.....well what carbs are you putting on the bike? are you gonna port the head? does anyone even make a cam for it other than oem? gonna have to answer that before you can start with performance exhaust, and then, you'll probably have to make your own.

tires.....avons or metzlers...but again, need more info as to what kind of riding or racing your gonna do.

rearsets.....either find some modern crash spares on ebay that you can modify to work, or again....make your own.

welcome to the fold. i don't care if your a newbie to motorbikes or this site......your welcome all the same.

peace,

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Wow! How can one biker forum single-handedly have attracted all of the riders who don't actually "get" what riding is really about. I thought riders were part of a brotherhood (or sisterhood) of people who shared a common interest, not necessarily common opinions (wouldn't that make us oh so interesting).

When this guy said he is a "newbie", he meant to this site, not to bikes in general. I happen to know he has done some amazing things to bikes over the years and has spent more time behind the bars of a bike riding across this continent that most of us could ever dream of doing.

As for the value of the "Hawk", he actually never asked for anyone's opinion of it. He did ask for advice in a few specific areas from people who actually know something. ALL bikes can have value beyond what the market will pay for it to the person who owns it. I may love Hondas from the sixties and you may be all about big-bore, late model sport bikes. That's fine! We're allowed to each enjoy the thing we like for whatever reason we deem to be important to us!

How can one rider justify discouraging another from enjoying our sport? I sincerely hope this forum is made up of better people who are more dedicated riders than this!
First off this site tends to be pretty hard on newbies in general, whether they are new to the sport or new to the board. If you wanted all touchy feely hey this is great kinda crap the internet is packed to the gills of sites like that. Nobody pulls punches here.

Second, if you are going to introduce yourself as a newbie you kinda have to take it that people are going to assume you don't know anything - hence you are new to it all. I read newbie and assumed, new to mechanics, new to fabrication, new to resources, the works - if he wanted this not to be the case he should have said so. The fact that he is asking general newbie to motorcycle questions. Lots of newbies get in over their heads quckly with impulse purchases and more often then not when the find out it is real work to learn this stuff the bike ends up abandoned

Third, some bikes are better left for dead. It is a fact. They are like pintos and edsels without the novelty. No parts support even from major mfgs like honda. Some bikes are so cheap to buy as good running examples because nobody wants them that buying a project bike for anything other than parts is just a plain bad decision, no matter how long you have been riding. A hawk is definatly one of those bikes, sold in the millions and nobody wants them. Really clean examples sell for what some would consider stupidly low for any motorcycle. The best project bike is any one that you can ride the first day you bring it home, because then you are not fighting to improve the bike up to stock standards before modifying. I really hope his hawk was free or close to it if it is a project.

Fourth, who cares what he asked for or not. you put yourself out there on the net and you take what you get, like it or not. Most oten the unsolicited advice is the best because it rasies questions and possible solutions to things the original poster may not have been thinking about.

As for what getting what riding is all about, well that is gonna change from person to person and really to say one person or another does't get it is a fart in a stiff breeze. Like I said before nobody is discouraging anybody from riding (wrenching that is a different story), but I doubt you are gonna find anybody hear who will shit their drawers in excitement over some "newbie's" purchase of a 1979 cb400t hawk. Maybe there will be people impressed with what he has done to the bike when finished but nobody will be impressed with the bike because it is a hawk. I mean seriously, unless he is really just starting out riding the bike is a curse not a blessing (there are 250s and 350s that are a decade older than this bike and they are faster, better handeling and better looking).

And speaking of somebody "knowing something", here is what I know: Anything available in the marketplace for this bike is going to be generic (bars, grips, tires, etc). The rest will need to be custom made and will in many cases require fabrication skills above and beyond most weekend warriors. Exhaust: will need to be fabricated, rear sets: fabricated - and there are plenty of stock parts from honda that are NLA (hope he doesn't need any of those to get her running).

Gotta say Mark W, I'm not overly impressed with your first post either. I hope you were not the guy that cajoled him into getting this particular bike rather than researching what bikes actually have aftermarket parts available. Your terms are vague at best (what part of the "sport am I discouraging - the riding or the massive fabrication project ahead being asked about by a person whose skills are not known). It's nice that you are sticking up for your friend and all, and you obviously have hurt feelings over it, but wouldn't your role as a friend and rider be to make sure he didn't end up with a bike that is more trouble than it is worth?

As far as anybody being a dedicated rider, I think you'll find that there are probably not qualified in any means to determine who is a dedicated rider and who is not, espically over the internet.

anyway, just got in from the late shift and I am beat. We will continue this.
 

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Wow! How can one biker forum single-handedly have attracted all of the riders who don't actually "get" what riding is really about. I thought riders were part of a brotherhood (or sisterhood) of people who shared a common interest, not necessarily common opinions (wouldn't that make us oh so interesting).

When this guy said he is a "newbie", he meant to this site, not to bikes in general. I happen to know he has done some amazing things to bikes over the years and has spent more time behind the bars of a bike riding across this continent that most of us could ever dream of doing.

As for the value of the "Hawk", he actually never asked for anyone's opinion of it. He did ask for advice in a few specific areas from people who actually know something. ALL bikes can have value beyond what the market will pay for it to the person who owns it. I may love Hondas from the sixties and you may be all about big-bore, late model sport bikes. That's fine! We're allowed to each enjoy the thing we like for whatever reason we deem to be important to us!

How can one rider justify discouraging another from enjoying our sport? I sincerely hope this forum is made up of better people who are more dedicated riders than this!
First off this site tends to be pretty hard on newbies in general, whether they are new to the sport or new to the board. If you wanted all touchy feely hey this is great kinda crap the internet is packed to the gills of sites like that. Nobody pulls punches here.

Second, if you are going to introduce yourself as a newbie you kinda have to take it that people are going to assume you don't know anything - hence you are new to it all. I read newbie and assumed, new to mechanics, new to fabrication, new to resources, the works - if he wanted this not to be the case he should have said so. The fact that he is asking general newbie to motorcycle questions. Lots of newbies get in over their heads quckly with impulse purchases and more often then not when the find out it is real work to learn this stuff the bike ends up abandoned

Third, some bikes are better left for dead. It is a fact. They are like pintos and edsels without the novelty. No parts support even from major mfgs like honda. Some bikes are so cheap to buy as good running examples because nobody wants them that buying a project bike for anything other than parts is just a plain bad decision, no matter how long you have been riding. A hawk is definatly one of those bikes, sold in the millions and nobody wants them. Really clean examples sell for what some would consider stupidly low for any motorcycle. The best project bike is any one that you can ride the first day you bring it home, because then you are not fighting to improve the bike up to stock standards before modifying. I really hope his hawk was free or close to it if it is a project.

Fourth, who cares what he asked for or not. you put yourself out there on the net and you take what you get, like it or not. Most oten the unsolicited advice is the best because it rasies questions and possible solutions to things the original poster may not have been thinking about.

As for what getting what riding is all about, well that is gonna change from person to person and really to say one person or another does't get it is a fart in a stiff breeze. Like I said before nobody is discouraging anybody from riding (wrenching that is a different story), but I doubt you are gonna find anybody hear who will shit their drawers in excitement over some "newbie's" purchase of a 1979 cb400t hawk. Maybe there will be people impressed with what he has done to the bike when finished but nobody will be impressed with the bike because it is a hawk. I mean seriously, unless he is really just starting out riding the bike is a curse not a blessing (there are 250s and 350s that are a decade older than this bike and they are faster, better handeling and better looking).

And speaking of somebody "knowing something", here is what I know: Anything available in the marketplace for this bike is going to be generic (bars, grips, tires, etc). The rest will need to be custom made and will in many cases require fabrication skills above and beyond most weekend warriors. Exhaust: will need to be fabricated, rear sets: fabricated - and there are plenty of stock parts from honda that are NLA (hope he doesn't need any of those to get her running).

Gotta say Mark W, I'm not overly impressed with your first post either. I hope you were not the guy that cajoled him into getting this particular bike rather than researching what bikes actually have aftermarket parts available. Your terms are vague at best (what part of the "sport am I discouraging - the riding or the massive fabrication project ahead being asked about by a person whose skills are not known). It's nice that you are sticking up for your friend and all, and you obviously have hurt feelings over it, but wouldn't your role as a friend and rider be to make sure he didn't end up with a bike that is more trouble than it is worth?

As far as anybody being a dedicated rider, I think you'll find that there are probably not qualified in any means to determine who is a dedicated rider and who is not, espically over the internet.

anyway, just got in from the late shift and I am beat. We will continue this.
 

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Geeto is right. I built my cl360 with the option of having the ability to drop just about any engine in it so not to be limited by the aftermarket. And concerning rear sets, I'm in the middle of the design process right now. Not an easy task when your ambitious as me, but I am building them my self. If you want to do anything you're going to have to make it youself.

Check airtech-streamlining.com for fairings. They will have something that'll work.

Hey some bikes are worth it some are not.

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Geeto is right. I built my cl360 with the option of having the ability to drop just about any engine in it so not to be limited by the aftermarket. And concerning rear sets, I'm in the middle of the design process right now. Not an easy task when your ambitious as me, but I am building them my self. If you want to do anything you're going to have to make it youself.

Check airtech-streamlining.com for fairings. They will have something that'll work.

Hey some bikes are worth it some are not.

If you build it they will ride - ill.
 

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airtech has something for everybody......

unfortunately it EXPLODES on impact!

tannermatic rules (but only for the select few).

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airtech has something for everybody......

unfortunately it EXPLODES on impact!

tannermatic rules (but only for the select few).

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OK..so maybe I confused you with the 'newbie' thing. Yes, I am new to the forum, and I haven't been active working on bikes for a few years. I have reworked bikes before and I'm not unfamiliar to custom fabricating.

This bike was in fact 'almost free', has low miles, is complete (only needed a battery), and just requires some cleaning. I have no intentions to race and obviously performance is not my main goal or I would have waited for something else...I plan to make a few minor modifications and just enjoy riding again.

I have seen a few modified Hawks and in fact did read quite a few positive reports from Hawk owners (actually more than the negative) before I purchased. Admittedly, these have been mostly on English / European web sites. Maybe some of the stuff I've seen on them (i.e aftermarket exhaust) has to come from 'across the pond' and isn't available here from over here.

For mine, I figure on lower bars, maybe rearsets (I've made them before and can again if I need to), remove the decals and repaint (again doing this myself at minimal cost), and hopefully replace the exhaust - the priority here being sportier asppearance and a little more 'noise' rather than ultimate performance. A small fairng would be cool if I can find something used and modify to fit.

Anyway, I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me (I'm a big boy and that's OK). I am aware that my bike does not have a reputation for greatness (and that's OK with me too). And I can live with having to scrounge / make parts as required. Actually I'm kinda looking forward to the challenge. Just thought maybe someone out there might enjoy sharing in my project - after all it is all about being there for each other ...isn't it?
 
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