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On the one hand I want to say we sue too much over too little. On the other, after personally seeing how the system works and knowing that the Airline will probably do next to nothing for her if she doesn't sue I say....eh no I still say wake the fuck up, call a cab, go home, and be thankful we live in a country with such wonderful air travel and retell the story at cocktail parties to make yourself seem interesting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/y_detroit/y_detroit_ts2286

A woman from Ferndale, Mich. is suing United Airlines after she was left alone on a plane for hours after it had landed.

Ginger McGuire was aboard a United Express flight from Washington, DC to Philadelphia. She says she fell asleep during the flight. It landed shortly after midnight Tuesday but no one woke her up until a cleaning crew found her four hours later.

United Airlines says they are working with a regional partner carrier to determine why the plane wasn't cleared upon landing.

McGuire told reporters, "I fell asleep on the plane and next thing you know I wake up, it's 4:00 in the morning. Nobody's on the plane. Nothing."

McGuire has hired Geoffrey Fieger who is filing a lawsuit for false imprisonment, emotional distress and negligence.
 

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D.C. to Philly? What does that take, like 45 minutes? OK, an hour and change if you're on some two bit prop driven commuter thing? Found her 4 hours later? WTF? Broad must have been out a light! Gimme a break, false imprisonment. Wake the fuck up! Somebody keep her off of the NYC subway. Lord knows what could happen.

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When I lived in San Francisco, sometimes I would take the trolley to work. I can't say how many times I would feel my shoulder shaking and some guy yelling, "Wake up, Bub- end of the line!"

It sometimes annoys Kathleen; I can fall aslee
 

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pass out like that in my old dorm and you'd wake up with alot more to talk about along the lines of emotional distress. now, if that was my 11 yr. old unescorted kid headed home, I'd own the plane and then some. cheers, bcr
 

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I just read about this on the Yahoo page before heading over to the forum. This is even more outlandish than the broad that sued McDonalds for failing to notify her that her coffee was hot.
This lady should be required to submit to a drug screen -NOBODY passes out that hard without the help of ruffies.

And what if a fellow passenger or airline employee had laid a hand on her to wake her up? Would they face legal action for fondling her?

This reminds me of a headline I read not even a week ago where a guy died on a subway in D.C. (I think?)...he remained on the train for four hours before it was reported.
 

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quote:Originally posted by cafe350

I just read about this on the Yahoo page before heading over to the forum. This is even more outlandish than the broad that sued McDonalds for failing to notify her that her coffee was hot.
This lady should be required to submit to a drug screen -NOBODY passes out that hard without the help of ruffies.

And what if a fellow passenger or airline employee had laid a hand on her to wake her up? Would they face legal action for fondling her?

This reminds me of a headline I read not even a week ago where a guy died on a subway in D.C. (I think?)...he remained on the train for four hours before it was reported.

Of, first off - The McDonalds coffee thing, actually read about that case and you will discover that most of america's perception of the case is entirely wrong and completely ignorant, literally is is the kind of thing that leno writes for his monolouge. the short of it is that McDonalds was heating their coffee up to a tremendous heat, well past what most home coffee makers do, so it would stay hot the entire drive. Most cups of coffee when spilled on you will not cause 3rd degree burns and yous skin to slough off instantly. Furthermore McDonalds knew about the issue and had been trying to "cover it up" with aggressive tactics for a while.


read this and ye shall be informed:

quote: After receiving the order, the grandson pulled his car forward andstopped momentarily so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to hercoffee. (Critics of civil justice, who have pounced on this case, oftencharge that Liebeck was driving the car or that the vehicle was inmotion when she spilled the coffee; neither is true.) Liebeck placedthe cup between her knees and attempted to remove the plastic lid fromthe cup. As she removed the lid, the entire contents of the cup spilledinto her lap.

The sweatpants Liebeck was wearing absorbed the coffee and held it next to her skin. A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body, including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin areas. She was hospitalized for eight days, during which time she underwent skin grafting. Liebeck, who also underwent debridement treatments, sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds refused. During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700 claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks. This history documented McDonalds’ knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard. McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is generally 135 to 140 degrees. Further, McDonalds’ quality assurance manager testified that the company actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185 degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above, and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing the “holding temperature” of its coffee. Plaintiffs’ expert, a scholar in thermodynamics applied to human skin burns, testified that liquids, at 180 degrees, will cause a full thickness burn to human skin in two to seven seconds. Other testimony showed that as the temperature decreases toward 155 degrees, the extent of the burn relative to that temperature decreases exponentially. Thus, if Liebeck’s spill had involved coffee at 155 degrees, the liquid would have cooled and given her time to avoid a serious burn. McDonalds asserted that customers buy coffee on their way to work or home, intending to consume it there. However, the companys own research showed that customers intend to consume the coffee immediately while driving. McDonalds also argued that consumers know coffee is hot and that its customers want it that way. The company admitted its customers were unaware that they could suffer thirddegree burns from the coffee and that a statement on the side of the cup was not a “warning” but a “reminder” since the location of the writing would not warn customers of the hazard. The jury awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages. This amount was reduced to $160,000 because the jury found Liebeck 20 percent at fault in the spill. The jury also awarded Liebeck $2.7 million in punitive damages, which equals about two days of McDonalds’ coffee sales. Post-verdict investigation found that the temperature of coffee at the local Albuquerque McDonalds had dropped to 158 degrees fahrenheit. The trial court subsequently reduced the punitive award to $480,000 — or three times compensatory damages — even though the judge called McDonalds’ conduct reckless, callous and willful. No one will ever know the final ending to this case. The parties eventually entered into a secret settlement which has never been revealed to the public, despite the fact that this was a public case, litigated in public and subjected to extensive media reporting. Such secret settlements, after public trials, should not be condoned
a regular cup of coffee should not do this to your legs:
 

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YECH! I stand corrected...I'll admit that I jumped on the bandwagon on that one -I had long considered the McDonald's case the "grandaddy of frivolous lawsuits" without knowing the facts. I didn't know that they served their coffee at a higher temperature back then -what was that, the early nineties?
 

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Doug: I always wondered why they were called roofies. Cause you're more likely to end up on the floor than the roof. They should call em groundies.

Alan: Or rapies.
 

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The part that should really piss people off is that there were 700 documented cases Mcdonalds knew about and attempted to keep quite.

When I was iin lawschool I read this really interesting paper about the followup to this case in which mcdonalds used its advertising budget to infulence reporting about the suit and the to keep it appearing like the plaintiff was a frivioulous crackpot. I wish I could find it now but it was really facinating.

When it comes to big companies they will fuck you 6 ways to sunday, espically if something they do gets you physically injured. If this airplane woman was physically injured by them, I would say sure, go after them cuz they are gonna fuck you otherwise. But she just woke up in a dark airplane. It sucks but honestly I don't think there is much harm in that. Inconvinence yes, harm, nah.

At the same time I think the airline does owe her a little something for the inconvonence, maybe a couple of free vouchers, pick up her cab fare, reprimand the person whose job it was to check the plane, but that is it. Sadly in this economy she'll be lucky to get an apology.
 

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on a lighter note, how many times have I told you tex to stop hanging out at high school auto shops:

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20100528_Teen_admits_foul_soda__prank___judge_assigns_an_essay.html

Teen admits foul soda 'prank,' judge assigns an essay
By JASON NARK
Philadelphia Daily News

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There are plenty of reasons why eating feces is bad for you, and a judge has ordered the South Jersey teen who defecated in a classmate's soda to detail them all in an essay.

Prosecutors dropped an aggravated-assault charge against the 17-year-old Haddon Township High School student after he pleaded guilty in Camden County Superior Court yesterday to tampering with a food product. As a result, he'll be on probation, and must serve 200 hours of community service and apologize to the victim by letter.

Superior Court Judge Angelo DiCamillo also ordered the teen, a standout athlete at the high school, to submit a 1,000-word report, with footnotes, "on the problems and diseases associated with fecal matter being ingested by humans," the Camden County Prosecutor's Office said.

The prosecutor's office said the student, who was not identified because of his age, removed the lid and straw to a 17-year-old classmate's soda inside a classroom on March 29 and defecated in it. The victim took a sip, then spit out the soda, the prosecutor's office said.

Classmates in the auto-shop classroom who were watching erupted in laughter, the prosecutor's office said. The offending teen was charged the following day.

District Superintendent Mark Raivetz said the district disciplined the teen.

The Daily News was barred from the juvenile's hearing yesterday, and his mother and father, a physical-education instructor in the Haddon Township School District, declined to comment.

His attorney said the incident was a "foolish prank."

"I'm sure he has learned his lesson," Jeffrey Zucker said. "I think it was disposed of in a proper way."
 

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As a matter of fact I did.....

.....at tulane, where the best advice they gave me was "at lunch remember to always drink scotch over vodka, that way when you advise your clients they can smell your breath and know you are drunk and not stupid". Really I am not kidding, that was in the graduation speech.
 
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