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Is "performant" a word?

I don't see what's wrong - some Chinese company copies the Honda dream 50 racer and stuffs a 250 in it. It doesn't look "dangerous" to me, just I don't have any expectation for quality coming from china. I also think 1970s 250 engines are inadequate, and this just looks like a Chinese knock off of a1970s Honda engine.

This isn't any different than the CCC misfit, or the sym wolf (only the wolf is Korean and is actually built under license from Honda).
 

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Top Gear had an episode about Chinese auto makers copying cars. They showed a BMW X5 and it had 99% the outward appearance of a BMW.
The interesting stuff begins around 3:20.

Is China copying motorcycles in the same way? I envision China is still full of 125cc 2-strokes and scooters, certainly nothing over 350cc.
 

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....Is China copying motorcycles in the same way? I envision China is still full of 125cc 2-strokes and scooters, certainly nothing over 350cc.
Lessee....

Here's a 250cc version of the XR1200:


Here's a very convincing "CB125": (also in that pic is a Suz GS someting-or-other)


How 'bout a "Honda Rebel" 250?:


or a Virago 250:


This 250 looks an awful lot like a ZX-6:


Oooo. Ooooo. Oooo! Here's a 400cc version of a BMW F650GS:


Or any number of dirt/dual sport knock-offs:

 

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This should be more of an incentive for American companies to have their mfg goods made in china. Your products come out the front door while the copied products pour out the back door in the millions without a thank you for your design and/or product concept.... Now that's real smart business....
 

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Many of those 250cc Chinese bikes are only $600-$800 if you buy them in 30 bike lots. I'm sure the Chinese quality doesn't hold a candle to American made.
 

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This should be more of an incentive for American companies to have their mfg goods made in china. Your products come out the front door while the copied products pour out the back door in the millions without a thank you for your design and/or product concept.... Now that's real smart business....
My employer manufactures both in the US and Asia, and own our own import sourcing subsidiary. And actually, getting knocked off by your own factory is not as much of an issue as you'd guess. Chinese manufacturers exist in multiple tiers. The ones most of the more sophisticated American products are coming out of wouldn't mess around with bootlegging; they're above it and could lose too much business from it. And the lower-tier counterfeiters making the knock-offs are more than able to reverse engineering for themselves. They don't want the hassles and accountability that comes with manufacturing directly for American firms.
 

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Atleast it has rearsets.
 

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It would be cool as long as you had low expectations; really low. I don't like that they are pushing the style so hard and don't give any specs. It makes me suspicious. Since there is nothing but style on this site, I dont like the supersized rear fender. I'd rather it be attached to the swing arm. If the Sym Wolf came out in a 500cc bike I might consider it.
 

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I don't find it too terrible. Just almost exactly the same as the SkyTeam ACE, but with a 250 instead of 50 or 125.
I think it would make for a half decent city bike.

I hate the fact that it's made in China...but then again, this is coming from somebody who has sent out previous tech packets for quotes for manufacture, tooling, and molds...then seen the part I designed with our logos removed show up magically on eBay 2 months later.
 

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agree with Pluto about the information being scarce and just nonsensical blabbering. About the fender - I think its a bit like in R-bikes. The assumption is that you will take it off. Itse there just to meet the regulations.

It does look flimsy - shocks and forks. What I am surprised is that no real bike brand - or semi established like hyosung - don't try to capitalize with this kind of product. Or maybe they have done the math and the clientele really isn't there.
 

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What I am surprised is that no real bike brand - or semi established like hyosung - don't try to capitalize with this kind of product. Or maybe they have done the math and the clientele really isn't there.
um...triumph thruxton? Ducati sportclassic? or did you mean small bike like the TU250? how about the w650? honda rs750?

I think the bigger bike companies are a little gun shy because commercially these bikes have typically been sales failures in the US. Given what new bikes cost I am not surprised, most people who gravitate to this end of the hobby tend to be fairly broke or just the cheapest bastards alive. Actually, I think that is why the hipsters like it so much - right now there isn't really a viable way for the big four to reproduce what is going on with old used affordable bikes and still make money.
 

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My friend Charlie Perethian has a W650. First time he rode up on it thought "what a nice Triumph" It was until closer inspection that I realized it was a Kawasaki. I thought how could they just rip off this design, but it was explained to me that it was an intended tribute to the early Triumph vintage look. Charlie says it's a pretty good bike.
 

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My friend Charlie Perethian has a W650. First time he rode up on it thought "what a nice Triumph" It was until closer inspection that I realized it was a Kawasaki. I thought how could they just rip off this design, but it was explained to me that it was an intended tribute to the early Triumph vintage look. Charlie says it's a pretty good bike.
The W650 was actually a look back to Kaw's mid 60s W1...which was produced post purchase of Meguro.

kawasaki_w1.jpeg

Which in itself was more BSA copy than Triumph.
 

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But with the tower shaft, it reminds me more of a Ducati narrow case single!

It does, however, look more Triumph than the current Triumph Bonnie!
 
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