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I was just curious to see if this forum was open. Here is my sidecar I'm building to run at El Mirage dry lake in SoCal






Edited by - Hoofhearted on Apr 06 2007 02:05:34 AM



Edited by - geeto67 on Apr 06 2007 12:10:57 PM
 

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uh oh better fix your post so you can see the pics before you hear from Geeto lol


Cool looking sidecar BTW

Hey someone pas me the wrench........ Ahh screw it where is the torch
 

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Very cool looking rig. I don't think I've seen that engine before, looks like a speedway type.
What's it run on?
What's the tranny?
What do you expect for top speed?
What kind of tires/wheels for front and sidecar?
What's the rear wheel from?

Inquiring minds want to know...


FR
 

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Yeah, it's open. But it's there just for Scott to post udates of the 350 build.

JD
 

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dont see much "side" in the car .smirks, doing good on it though from what I see .is there more aero body work I know its early just wonder the idea is to be inclosed like a saltflat car or open like a drag bike .

Im so far behind ,that I think Im in first.
 

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Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the other forum and if Geeto wan't to yell at me fine. I'm a computer neaderthal and probably wouldn't understand what he was yelling at me.

FR, The motor is another Weslake 500 single. Pushrod, not OHC, don't know the exact year. I bought it as a spare for my Norton. The sidecar has been rattling around in my head for a good while. A brief description: 3"x1" rect. tubing for the frame. 110" wheelbase, Norton AMC trans but it will be changed for an old laid down as soon as I get it back together. The front wheel is off an Austin Mini and the forks are cut down Kawasaki. The back wheel is a Triump and it is held up by a cut up BSA swing arm. It has a body. But its mainly to duct air across the motor. Tried to make it swoopy. Bit rough but it may work.

Last year it was supposed to be ready for El Mirage dry lake but wasn't. I put the motor in the Norton to see how it would run. In Sept. it ran 124.900 so I'm not unhappy with it. I run VP C12 race gas. 14:1 comp., 35 deg. fixed advance and a 45mm Mikuni carb.


It will be ready for May and hopefully it will run as fast as above. I know its not a cafe racer but it is a racer(maybe).




Edited by - geeto67 on Apr 06 2007 6:05:11 PM
 

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I'm not yelling at anyone, I'm just pointing out that y'all need to pay more attention to how you post pics here and you can't just cut and paste. It is frustrating for a lot of people when their pics don't show up. This board can't support a lot of the fancy code that some of the web hosting sites use.

If you haven't noticed I have been going through and editing the pic codes to try and make it look a little cleaner. I'm kind of playing around in this post to see what imageshack will allow and not allow.

but maybe I am coddling people too much. maybe they need to get frustrated so they figure out how to get the image to show.

on that note back to bike related:

one thing I will never understand about the US is how sidecar racing did not get popular here. Some of those side car rigs look way cool and the monkey moving about on the rig is such a neat looking thing to see.

I mean we race barstools in the country for cristsake yet we can;t get people to care about super fast bikes with huge slicks where there is a guy jumping around on it? go figure

nice rig BTW, you gonna try for a red hat?
 

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Sorry. But some of us find putting a bike together a whole lot easier than posting pics. And some of us stumble along as best we can. That includes building bikes. I am a computer neanderthal but I am working my way up to becoming a computer cro-magnon. Maybe if I insure the bikes with Geico I'll get better.

I'm not going for a red hat with this one. The sidecar class has been pretty much ignored. Mine is going to be running in the pushrod gas class. Considering the Bonneville class 500 SC/PG is 98 mph and the El Mirage record for the same class is 101 I seriousy doubt a red hat is on the horizon. I'm hoping for 130 out of this motor. That is if I get everything right.
 

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I'd love to monkey around on a sidecar. I remember watching a movie on tv, when I was a kid, about sidecar racing. Some guy got sucked into it by a friend, who later died . They raced both on & off road. Loved the way the monkey hung way out over the side. Have no idea what it was called. It was about 30 yrs ago.
 

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Ive seen side cars run up at Loudon in NH.with chicks on the platform doing the money thang!

Im so far behind ,that I think Im in first.
 

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What's a red hat?

Hoof, that 'chine is cool! Is the Weslake engine a dry sump? I remember reading about some of the speedway engines, that they were total loss oil systems, which doesn't make sense for a 4 stroke. Anyway, that thing must sound cool.

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What's a red hat?
A red hat is what they give you when you set a new record above 200mph. It signifies membership in the 200mph club (which as you know gets harder to get into every year). You can't just run over 200mph on the salt, you have to actually set or break a record for it to count.
 

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FR, No its still total loss. I have a catch tank underneath so as to not upset the BLM and all the tree huggers. For a speedway motor it sort of makes sense. Fresh oil all the time. For a road bike it makes no sense.

Geeto67, The minimum for a red hat 200 club in 3000cc streamliner is 340!!
 

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FR, No its still total loss. I have a catch tank underneath so as to not upset the BLM and all the tree huggers. For a speedway motor it sort of makes sense. Fresh oil all the time. For a road bike it makes no sense.

Geeto67, The minimum for a red hat 200 club in 3000cc streamliner is 340!!
It is a good thing you are running in a 500cc class where entry in the 200mph club is....200mph. not that the technology will get you there these days. What about an HD single conversion. I read about some 883 sporty motors that were converted to 500cc singles with a block off plate over the rear cylinder and an overbore. More speed parts, more modern design and metal, and it is still a pushrod engine.

3000cc is 3 liters. I know honda car motors that are smaller than that (1.6 and 1.8L) and capable of producing the power necessary to make that speed (turbo anyone). 3 liters is about 180 cubic inches.
 

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Interesting comment. Keenan Tatro of San Diego Roadsters has a 500 single made from a Sporty. He uses the rear cylinder though. He holds the record at El Mirage at 126.674 and the pushrod fuel record at 147. He went through a lot of motors to get that 147 record. He also holds anumber of records at Bonneville.
 

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What's the elevation at El Mirage? I am never that impressed by the numbers at Bonneville because of the elevation. A friend of mine emailed me to say the he hit 98mph at Bonneville on his Bridgestone 175 roadracer. Shit, that thing does 120 down the back stretch at Daytona. It'd be nice if they could find a place to run spedd records neaer to sea level where the air is nice and thick.

I raced sidecars with the USCRA for years and love them. It's kind of a crazy fusion between car and motorcycle. They slide like a car when cornering into the third wheel, and corner like bike going away from it. BTW, when the third wheel is on the inside, the only way to do speed and keep the wheel down, unless your passenger is Little Huey (and then you've got other problems), is to open the throttle all the way up to keep the rear wheel from hooking up and high siding the rig.

Love your car, and that Speedway engine is great. What do those things make, about 70hp? You running Alky? Always wanted a Speedway bike, be cool to run on the lake in the winter.

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Dgy
 
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