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Nationalized regulation of marijuana already! How many more studies are needed showing the merits of legalized cannibus? Many times safer than alcohol and far less addictive than nicotine, with health benefits to boot!

It it was illegal before due in part to the fact no white folks were getting rich off it. Now we have rich, white millionaires growing it domestically. So what's the issue?
 

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Nah, it makes people lazy and boring.

Look a birdie on a big flower! :) :p :eek: :confused: :rolleyes: ;) :)

I can't wait for stoned airline pilots and brain surgeons, and Hilary high on hops!

Drug abuse can affect your soundness of mind, and your metal health? Is that what you want for our children?


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Too much of anything is bad for you, but I think in moderation, Marijuana can be a good thing.
It does the same thing to me that beer does, without the frequent urination.
That said, I will continue to not use it as long as I am drug tested for jobs.
I don't like it or anything else enough to let stand between me and taking care of my family.
But yeah, I see it as mostly harmless, or at least much less harmful than what's currently legal, and most of the crap your doctor would actually prescribe.
 

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Although I believe it should be legalized (far too many people incarcerated for non violent, relatively victimless crime and an unbelievably untapped revenue source for government), I'm no longer in favor of it's recreational use.

I was a habitual wake and baker for years and admittedly made some of the worse decisions of my life and pissed away more time money and health than I'll ever be able to gain back now that I have my head screwed back down tight. For instance, I blame both my first and second marriages on being high, along with the divorces that followed.

Also, as a carrier (a "professional" driver), I would be risking everything I've gained being straight, including freedom, to self medicate my blues away.

I'd rather visit here...
 

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I agree it should be legalized federally and it will in the future, it has to get off the category 1 substance list. And the supreme court needs to make a definitive ruling on it.

However, I did a 16 page research paper on the subject and most of those studies are pretty inconclusive or not recognized by the fed government for various political reasons. Once more leniency is given for testing, and we get through all of the red tape... then maybe.
 

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Thanks for all the responses. I really just wanted to start a dialogue and I enjoy the different perspectives. I'd love to hear what other countries think about pot and how we Yanks deal with it.

Anything is addictive to someone with an addictive personality. People abuse alcohol, nicotine, porn, soda, glue, hairspray, social media, life-sized furry costumes and just about everything else. I no longer give any credence to the hype, the "pot is addictive" or "pot is a gateway drug." Model glue is a gateway drug. Percocet is a gateway drug. 400hp is a gateway drug. The new Indian Chief is a gateway drug.

A $10M study in England concluded with no reason whatsoever to criminalize marijuana. But, like anything else, if you want to find good in something - there is a study to back you up. If you want to find bad in the same something - you can find that study too.

Study: Marijuana legalization doesn't increase crime | MSNBC

60 Peer-Reviewed Studies on Medical Marijuana - Medical Marijuana - ProCon.org

Marijuana kills cancer cells, says US government-funded research - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Colorado is a very interesting experiment, however. I hope I'm alive to see how it plays out.

I would just love to have the WAR ON DRUGS lie end. Put the neighborhood pushers out of business, and end the penal system cash cow industry. There is nothing 'rehabilitating' about prison.
Start putting the billions of tax dollars into education, after-school activities, and addiction therapy. Stop jailing the casual users and start extreme jail terms for the serious drug offenders.
 

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If they go legal, how will they replace all the jobs from prison employment? Where are the jobs going to come from for all the excons? How will Police justify big budgets for drug enforcement?

It's a can of worms mixed with roaches.

Of course drug laws only came in to keep the fit and healthy male pop. straight enough to serve in the military. I guess modern drug tests tone down that risk to defence a little.

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Check this BS out here in Ga. Yesterday Rick Ross (google him if you don't know who he is) gets pulled over in his Rolls Royce. The window goes down and it reeks of weed. They search and find 5 joints and charge him with 5 counts of possession, WTF. I'll be surprised if this ever sees a courtroom. I never heard of each joint being an offense, under what statute? Usually the charge is Criminal Possession of a Controlled Substance (CPCS) and followed by a weight of the substance. So if Snoop Dog were here with one of his 4 ounce joints would that be only one offense?
I knew I was safe when I had my heart issue 2 years ago and mu cardiologist said I could smoke all I wanted with no issues.
 

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I'd like to see marijuana legalized for medical use but only available from a pharmacy not over the counter without a perscription. I'm against legalization to the general public as I fear the possibility of having as many stoned drivers as we now have drunk drivers.
I do not believe pot is addictive but I do believe many pot users move on to meth, crack, heroin not believing how addictive they are and then bad things happen.
 

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I'd like to see marijuana legalized for medical use but only available from a pharmacy not over the counter without a perscription. I'm against legalization to the general public as I fear the possibility of having as many stoned drivers as we now have drunk drivers.
I do not believe pot is addictive but I do believe many pot users move on to meth, crack, heroin not believing how addictive they are and then bad things happen.
It's the addictive personality that makes them move on, not the pot. Driving high is a completely different thing than driving drunk. The 2 should not be used in the same circumstances. You're okay with the legality of alcohol but not weed? You don't want to do anything to elevate the drunk driving problem by making alcohol, a known health risk and cause of many deaths a year, illegal? I can tell you all kinds of fucked up drunk stories, but few weed stories that ended in tragedy from nothing more than being high. Have you seen an increase in automobile accidents directly related to weed in Colo.?
I've been a regular user for over 40 years and have never done any of the "move on" drugs you listed, nor do I drink alcohol.
 

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I do not believe pot is addictive but I do believe many pot users move on to meth, crack, heroin not believing how addictive they are and then bad things happen.
Plenty of Honda riders move on to Harleys. Don't get me started, that's probably a good reason to ban Honda's. :)

Heroin is as safe as houses if it's cheap and legal, like it was in the U.K., back in the day. Normal Coke is pretty safe, but crack and freebase is a fair bit more risky. Meth drives people nuts, but the effects are shown all over the media, so there's not really an excuse to say you didn't know the effect.

Alcohol use and old folks on meds probably pose more of a threat on the road, than whizzed out or stoned idiots ever did.

One issue I have with weed is it does affect the young growing brain in many, many people. If people could wait til they were say, twenty three, that would prevent a hell of a lot of mental dysfunction. That's what the research says. It's probably a good reason to market lo-THC "Snoop Dogg Lights."

I think the research actually says mildly stoned drivers are pretty safe. The effect is not like someone after ten Jacks, on an empty stomach, on TGF after doing two shifts at the plant.

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I'm 420 friendly and I don't trip. But I also haven't sparked a fatty for many years now......and don't feel the need to. If I had to choose I would choose a couple beers.

I prefer the feeling of a little buzzed than 420 faded.
 

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It's the addictive personality that makes them move on, not the pot. Driving high is a completely different thing than driving drunk. The 2 should not be used in the same circumstances. You're okay with the legality of alcohol but not weed? You don't want to do anything to elevate the drunk driving problem by making alcohol, a known health risk and cause of many deaths a year, illegal? I can tell you all kinds of fucked up drunk stories, but few weed stories that ended in tragedy from nothing more than being high. Have you seen an increase in automobile accidents directly related to weed in Colo.?
I've been a regular user for over 40 years and have never done any of the "move on" drugs you listed, nor do I drink alcohol.
Marc, I'm not attempting to ignore the alcohol problem at all. Alcohol destroys/damages lives, I've seen that in our family and friends, I'd have no problem with alcohol in all forms being eliminated and yes I drink. There is enough evidence that driving stoned is not as safe as driving straight. Obviously the testing and who did the tests and how the tests are detailed can be read differently depending on your support or non-support of legal pot.
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I think the fact that we have adults in this world who still believe in the prohibition of things as benign as pot says a little about the progress of the human race. We still have lots of work to do and are subject to propaganda to a degree that is utterly frightening. For those nanny state cheer leaders who still want people put in prison for smoking a joint or even selling weed, I say we put a breathalizer lock out on your vehicles that doesn't only prevent you from driving if you've had even a drink or two, but you get an official charge just for even trying to drive after drinking. A few of those and you lose your license for 5 years. Got prescriptions for pain meds, mood stabilizers, anti-depressants, sleep meds or anything else that can inhibit your ability to drive? No more drivers license until you are drug free. Cell phones? They only work if they are traveling below 5mph for a min or more. How far do you want to go to make your world safe?
 

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I like that speed censor in cell phone idea. Most have GPS capabilities now so it knows how fast you are going. It would never pass law because all the car "passengers" would also be kept from using it and they would biatch..
 

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There is enough evidence that driving stoned is not as safe as driving straight.
Those studies can certainly be interpreted in a wide variety of ways, meaning that they weren't that conclusive. Put an experienced user behind the wheel and you won't be able to tell when they are high unless it's because they are paying more attention to what they are doing when they are. I drive rc cars on a fairly competitive level and that takes hand eye coordination above and beyond anything you will ever encounter on the road. My time sheets speak for themselves as to when I have the best results. HIGH AS A KITE!!! :)

You wanna talk conclusive? There's enough evidence that driving between the ages of sixteen and your mid twenties while having a pair of testicles is just as dangerous as any other form of distracted or impaired driving. Are we going to prevent young males from driving? NO! Cell phones? Don't even get me started about parents who turn their kids loose on the public with a set of car keys and a phone. Pot? Get over it already.
 

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I doubt legal dope will do any favours for our soul brothers and trailer park denizens. Think of the children. You can legalize anything, but you can't regulate stupid.

I'm a big fan of mandatory work camp stays for second offence drunk driving, like one year: no ifs and buts.

The problem is the country was laid out using horses for transport, sprawled all over the place for no good reason. So now the place can't function without cars, and keeping people on the road that shouldn't be on it, and it's vital for the place to function. I guess after ten bong hits, you want to stay put and play computer games any way.

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Those studies can certainly be interpreted in a wide variety of ways, meaning that they weren't that conclusive. Put an experienced user behind the wheel and you won't be able to tell when they are high unless it's because they are paying more attention to what they are doing when they are. I drive rc cars on a fairly competitive level and that takes hand eye coordination above and beyond anything you will ever encounter on the road. My time sheets speak for themselves as to when I have the best results. HIGH AS A KITE!!! :)

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So your RC car results are better stoned. Maybe you should let NASCAR and SCORE know that and they will allow real racers to run stoned. Hell, get with the navy and airforce so the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds can fly stoned. May as well get with the neurosurgeon that did my spine surgery and tell him it's OK to work on people stoned.
 

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So your RC car results are better stoned. Maybe you should let NASCAR and SCORE know that and they will allow real racers to run stoned. Hell, get with the navy and airforce so the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds can fly stoned. May as well get with the neurosurgeon that did my spine surgery and tell him it's OK to work on people stoned.
You were stoned when the Doc was poking around on the op table? That could be dangerous! Two patients, or more at at a time? I knew Obamacare would cause this?

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I'm surprised by the times he has while stoned also. I would also not correlate that experience to the same driving a full size car. As a veteran 20 year Nascar driver and a 48 year stoner I will tell you I NEVER considered driving the race car stoned. When I drive stoned (very seldom) I am instantly more aware that I am stoned and then end up driving more aware and most often slower. A drunk seldom thinks they are and isn't thinking correctly behind the wheel.
Remember last year when Tony Stewart ran over the 21yo sprint car driver and killed him? I was amazed when I found out the kid was high as a kite when he wrecked his car.
 
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