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It just kills me when I see someone go through all the trouble of building a custom tank with knee cut outs and when you see them on the bike their knees do not even match up to the cutouts. You can tell it was done just for looks. I thought cafes are about function before form but I guess some people are more worried about looking the part rather than building a decent bike. Just another pet peeve. I am sure it will pass.

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<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. Don't get me started on those guys. Can't say that I blame them though. Their bank account is filled to the brim and I am building a bike I got for $100. I guess the joke is on me.

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yeah, unless you count those bank fraud charges from orange county iron works. i heard before the business shit the bed they liquidated all of there equip to the new business. then hit chap 11. kind of a no no. anyone know where exactly that sits now. apparently its been nicely hush hushed.

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Glad I'm not the only one that is all about performance :p

I do like aesthetics, however, I'd rather go for performance and functionality and THEN go for looks. Never heard of anyone making a race bike by making a frame and wheels and aerodynamics and said "THAT LOOKS GOOD.... NOW lets see if it works right."

HOWEVER, at the same time, that's MY taste in bikes. At the same time, people are entitled to /their/ choice in their projects. Many bikes, many styles, many people. Call me old school.

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-Derek

Edited by - koihoshi on Jan 19 2008 01:56:24 AM
 

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I just see so many poser bikes out there. Choppers that have chrome goodies all over the bike instead of "chopping" parts of like the name implies. Bobbers that are not bobbed, just have a set of ape hangers and a short rear fender. Cafe racers that just have a set of clip ons and a bump up seat they bought from Ebay and a Cafe Racer sticker. Too many "custom" bikes out there made by people who do not even know how to light a torch, let alone fab anything themselves. I know I am not the king of fabricators but at least when I ride my bikes I can take pride that I built the engine, did all the body mods and painted everything myself. That has to count for something right

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unless you have widened your tank there really is no need for knee cutouts in the first place, hence why I consider all this hackery to stock tanks just that posturing hackery.

If you are that worried about your knees rubbing the tank a $30 set of brand new knee rubbers can solve the problem and give you the same look.

Original cafe bikes are like original hot rods - they were the grocery getter and daily driver as well as toy so everything on them needed to function first. I don't want to give the impression that some of those bikes were built without aesthetics in mind - it is human nature to make things look appealing and personalized, it is just that on a cafe bike more often than not the priorities of use mandated that if something was going to look good it had to function good as well - there was no real room for ornamental baubles.

For years I have said that cafe bikes are 1 person bikes. That comes a lot from my own personal belief that any bike you are going to push hard should be setup for you alone and you should not have the temptation of carrying a passenger. However, back when I had only one bike (all those years ago) my one bike was a two seater, hot rodded, stock looking cb750. It did it all and really well, but I found my self all to often holding back when I was alone and scaring the hell out of my passengers when I was 2 up.

if you look at old 1970s cafe racers, sure there are the mono-posto bikes but many of them are practical bikes too, with sensible bars, passenger pegs, 2 person seats, but hot rod suspensions and engines.

so what is my point? well my point is a cafe bike is not determines by the look of a bike but by it's use. A real cafe bike is for all intensive purposes a practical, racing inspired, bike for the street. It is a bike that suits the riders needs which is to say that is a very broad definition.

too bad a lot of people feel they Need to look cool rather than have fun riding a good handling motorcycle to its limits.
 

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Before you know it he'll not be using JUST words like bi-posto but speaking in italian and latin and labeling all his left and right parts "Sinister" and "Dexter" just like Ducati too :p

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A real cafe bike is for all intensive purposes...
um, ain't it "for all intents and porposes..."?

"Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion." -Edward Abbey
 

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Ok, I'll admit it. Until a couple years ago I always thought it was intensive purposes. I felt retarded when I found out.

And my tank capacity is small enough, I don't need no steenking knee indents and purposes.

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Hey, aren't porposes a lot like manatees? I would have let you slide, but you made the spelling error while busting someone else's balls. Oh, and I do realize that it's porpoise but I had to do it anyway.
 

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Building on Geet's post - I've often wondered if it would be possible to increase a tank's capacity by cutting slots in both sides of a tank from top to bottom just in front of where your knees are. Then cutting the top and bottom edges/corners of the tank from the slots forward. Then pull the slabs of the tank out and weld in new metal in the triangle shaped gaps top and bottom and a new rectangle of metal at the back? You'd get the same knee indent shape in the tank but you'd add some fuel capacity at the same time......

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Building on Geet's post - I've often wondered if it would be possible to increase a tank's capacity by cutting slots in both sides of a tank from top to bottom just in front of where your knees are. Then cutting the top and bottom edges/corners of the tank from the slots forward. Then pull the slabs of the tank out and weld in new metal in the triangle shaped gaps top and bottom and a new rectangle of metal at the back? You'd get the same knee indent shape in the tank but you'd add some fuel capacity at the same time......

Jim
I've seen some amature endurance racers do this and it seems to work. Of course you would have to have the tank lined after the work where as with knee dents you can just bang away.

and porposes are dolpins...

...and cafe racers are supposed to be intense, not intent......
 

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Actually porpoises are related to dolphins, but are a different species.
 
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