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Hey all,
For quite a while I've liked the look cafe racers, but I didn't know what they were. Since then I've done some research and got a bike. The bike I have isn't really suited to the cafe style: 1984 Kwasaki 700LTD. I came across a 1978 Yamaha XS400 for sale and am thinking about picking it up as a cafe reacer project. Does anyone have experience with these bikes? Pros or cons? The bike appears to be in great shape. http://boston.craigslist.org/mcy/106769713.html As you can see, he is asking $600 for it, does this seem to be a fair price to you guys? Any other advice or opinions would be welcome.

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Based on my personal expirence it is always better for a newbie to get into the world of modified motorcycles on a japanese machine rather than british, italian, or american. The jap bikes are far less problematic than a brit bike and not as tempremental as an italian. The onyl thing that suffers is the ride quality which can feel very neutral and neutered at times verses that go for it shake, rattle, and vibrate of vintage euro machines.

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My personal expirence with yamaha xs twins of any shape is that they are no road burners. Like any jap machine it will have a few engineering weaknesses but will otherwise be stable, usually they will have problems in the timing chain if it is anything like the bigger xs. it's a late 70's 400cc parallel twin so don't expect to be ripping up the road but it will make a very pretty cafe bike when done. $600 is a pretty good price for any jap bike that runs and drives.

That bike looks very clean which is a good sign. However the rubber deterioration is a sign that the bike has been in storage for a long time, and may have been outside at one point. The carb intake rubber being replaced is important because any holes in them can cause a lean condition, and the carbs to behave funny, eventually leading to a burned up piston if left unchecked. The tires are another big thing because it can cost you a few bills and you can't ride on cracked tires. Figure you are looking at around another $150 in rubber to get it roadworthy.

Now the big question: what do you want to do with this bike? If you just want to fit bars and rearsets, ditch the rear fender, and do a fer custom tweaks to the bike and ride the snot out of it racing around the city then this is a good choice. Stock spares (new and used) should still be available on ebay and pretty cheap.

If you want to build a full on aluminum tank manx style replica this is not so good a choice as 1) the bike's value is too low to justify the expense of handcrafted aluminum tank, tail, and race pieces; and 2) there is no real aftermarket for this bike like a norton or triumph. This is the road where the bike gets torn down to the frame, and everything gets a working over.

For a first cafe bike I say go for it. Personally I prefer that most newbie's start on hondas but that is because 1) I sell mostly honda parts; 2) I am mark biased as I own a lot of honda bikes; and 3) hondas have more enthuasits. Vintage honda's have now grown in price to the point where they are not the cheapest 70's jap cool on the block. Anyway, ride the bike, feel it out and see if it has anything you don't like about it in it's ride quality. At some point sit on the bike, put your feet on the passenger pegs, and grab the fork ears, this will give you a sense of the cafe rider's pose, if it is not comfortable on this bike then move on.
 

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Dude, that bike looks cool. I'd say if it runs ok, and looks good, buy it. Some clip-ons and rear sets, and a decent set of rubber, you'll be set.

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i'm with FR, that bike is way sweet! buy it and ride it dude!

i threw in the dude to sound like i know what i'm talking about.

buy it anyway!

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remember kick start only......if its kept in tune it should start easily jap bikes are dependable and over built engine wise .To get the look get rid of the seat and tail piece and put a cafe style seat on it from like air-techairstreamlining.com they will have you drooling in the vintage section ,keep your tank and get some cafe style handle bars .punch in ace cafe and look at his exhaustive gallery for ideas in overall looks.And just keep coming here for advice and a laugh or two...these guys will steer you right well most anyway . George
 

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No, I didn't get it. I don't have a location to store and work on a project like this right now. And the money that I would put into this could better be used on my other bike and other things right now. I do definately intend to get something like this at some point, but now just isn't right for me. Thanks for the info, I'm sure I'll be reading plenty and asking questions about when I do get a project.

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If you don't have the space you don't have it.

Looking at the 84 kawasaki ltd design, there isn't any reason you can't build a more "cafe" looking bike with some 50's brit design touches.

For instance, since you have the chopper drop seat type frame rails, ditch the thick heavy saddle, and get a sprung seat, like a 50's schwin bicycle seat or a 40's-60's farm tractor seat (they are steel but you can cover them in leather, the smaller the seat the better since some of those tractor seats can get big). Then ditch the rear fender for a more vintage piece like a cutdown repro indian, hinged harley with the hinge removed, or a chica custom cycles copy of the old triumph ribbed rear fender. Finish with a "limp-sausage" taillight and plate holder and your rear is sorted.

Ditch the emblems and graphics on the side covers. Paint black. Ditch the stock tank and find a set of old indian two piece tanks, or harley stock tanks, or make a set of two piece tanks out of the stamped tear drop sheetmetal that mooneyes sells. You can also drop the tunnel down in a one piece tank but make sure it has two petcocks and enough space to fill with fuel. The idea is that you want the top of your frame backbone to sit 1/4 inch lower than the top of your tank. This will make the shape of the bike seem less chopperish and more like an old indian or brough superior

Finally slide the forks up in your trees to take some of the length out of your ltd, or better swap forks with a shorter bike. Finish with a superbike bar, drag bar, or a set of clipons. Paint lotsa thing on the bike black.

hopefully your end result will look similar to this:

http://www.benjiescaferacer.com/images/DSCF2454.JPG
 
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