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I didn't mean for this to become a gun debate. I am not anti-CCW or anti-2nd amendment. Quite the contrary. And I have no doubt that there very well may have been guns in the group. My point was, that in this situation, had the SUV driver been carrying (legally, with permit and all), and tried to use that weapon, the situation would have escalated way quicker and been far worse. If NY allowed CCW, then for sure, even more of the riders would also have been armed, and obviously they had the mindset that "if I am wronged in the slightest, I have the right to do harm or intimidate." The situation would have ended horribly on the freeway, in a scene resembling Custer at Little Big Horn.

But I do feel that he used the weapon that he had available to protect himself and his family. I see no difference in what he did vs. what any pro-gun rights person would say about using a gun in the case where he, or his family were threatened.
I don't think anyone who is pro-carry expects to solve every conflict at gunpoint. That's not the point. The thought that anyone could be carrying a concealed weapon acts as a deterrent and often prevents situations from even happening. These squids would never have done what they did to that RR if it had been a police cruiser, not because they're afraid of a couple of doughy cops, but because of the Glock .40s on their hips and their authority to use them. I'd go as far as saying they wouldn't have done it to a jacked up F-250 with a deer in the bed driven by a couple of guys in camo for similar reasons. If any misstep could result in you getting shot, you tend to be nicer to people.
 

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hardline_42;274610 not because they're afraid of a couple of doughy cops said:
i think the key word is authority. These guys fear the cops because they can take your bike, fine and put you in jail. $ and jail is as good a deterrent as the guns.
 

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If you think this place is bad you should see it on other forums. Like I said this story is flypaper for the stupid.

I will say this: I wonder how may in that group were "hey why did we stop?", "what's going on?", "Why are running flat out all of a sudden?", "what's that dude doing to that car?" "Are we there yet?" Was that kid with the broken legs actually in the fray or was he 100 feet away sitting on his bike going "what's going on?" When the range rover runs him over? That's why this thing is a huge mess.

I don't know how many of you have ever ridden with a large group on an unorganized ride (by unorganized I mean without city permits or approval). I can tell you there are all these little pockets of things going on that the whole of the group doesn't know about. It's really easy for a bunch of dumb shits to fuck it up for everyone. What's worst is post incident all these individuals who may not have been involved will posture tough like they got their "boys" back. I doubt we will see one of these guys come forward and say "I was at the back of the pack, I don't know what the fuck was going on".

From the information out now it does sound like members of the ride were overly aggressive and scared the shit out of a family. I hope they catch those individuals and send them to jail. I hope the kid with the broken legs heals. I hope the NYPD gets smart and doesn't just throw another stupid blanket discriminatory policy against motorcyclists over the city but actually takes a measured approach toward focusing on the specific harm. I don't think I am going to get my wish on any of this, but I can always hope.
 

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This whole story rattles me. I got so upset seeing the footage and frustrated with how the pack mentality removed all civilized thought. What was the guy that first got bumped thinking?!! Super sad story. If the driver of the RR truly was the instigator, the real story should be how he carries around those gigantic balls everywhere.

CR.net, whats with the borderline racists blather from some of you? Do all old white dudes turn into racists in their 60's? i was hoping it was just my dad!
The biker gang could have just as easily been white dudes with huge egos too.
I know you don't mean anything by it, but the fact that 3 or 4 of us picked up on it, you get called out. :)

If all black males gang bang and carry illegal handguns - then all old white dudes are never wrong and know better than anyone else how to do anything and everything and their ability to point out other's mistakes has no rival.

They could have been all white. But they weren't, nor were they the ones that decided to be judge and jury and resort to violence by a gang to punish someone else for something someone in their group started. I'm not proud of it that I have racist views at times and it didn't start when I got in my 60's. It was 60 years of experience. My racism is not directed at a color of skin but towards an attitude. I know some white guys that can be called the N word for the attitude.

I do see a couple of white guys here but they weren't the ones with helmets bashing out the windows and dragging the guy to the ground:
 

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you get a group heavily peppperd wid da blacks perpatratinz crimez like dis and bein smartz enufz to put it on da filmz ya gonna have some stereotypz bein reiforzd
i would say the guys draggin the dude outta the rr are racists commiting a racist hate crime
 

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Maybe they are socialists and wanted to redistribute the rich guys money....
 

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This still wasn't a racially motivated attack. Doesn't matter if the bikers were purple with pink polka dots and the RR guy was pink with purple polka dots, it wasn't a factor in any of the behavior. I once watched a crew of 4 HA members in the early 90's pull a guy from a small dump truck because he changed lanes and didn't see them in his blind spot on the right. People are dumb regardless of race.

what this really is about is entitlement. There has been this movement in the motorcycling world that it is ok to be pissed off at inattentive car drivers and let's face it the idiots make excellent scape goats. I personally don't think this is acceptable. As motorcyclists we think we are more attentive than the cages and that we own the road of sorts and when something like an MVA happens it's clearly the other guys fault. Add that in with a persons need to no lose face in front of their friends and this general outrage cyclists seem to have against cars these days, something like this was inevitable.

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Maybe they are socialists and wanted to redistribute the rich guys money....
Made that joke two pages ago - occupy range rover. Keep up.
 

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wow didn't think this thread would turn racial; i think race played no role in this attack
Pretty pathetic when every issue in America turns into a matter of race and unfortunately its being instigated by every side of the racial card
Every race/ class/ creed/ and sexual orientation has its completely idiotic morons; thats a fact of life
 

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Can't be race related, we have had two black presidents.....
Clinton and Obama.
 

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they are reinforcing racist stereotypes that is the point I am making they are proved themselves to be guilty,racist criminals by the video(attempting to murder an Asian, hence, a racist hate crime) and they have earned the disrespect that they are getting
 

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they are reinforcing racist stereotypes that is the point I am making they are proved themselves to be guilty,racist criminals by the video(attempting to murder an Asian, hence, a racist hate crime) and they have earned the disrespect that they are getting
...except there is no real cultural precendent for black on asian hate crimes (ok maybe a little from Do the Right thing), so its not really stereotypical. Hate crimes in the US are generally thought to be against blacks, jews, maybe women. If you want to make a point about racist stereotypes you should start by not using mock ebonics.

So is the RR driver reinforcing the stereotype that asians cant drive? Or did he break it by punching through a swarm of bikes twice and working through harlem traffic until the inevitable.
 

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Thought the driver would have only lived up to his stereotype if he had MD plates
 

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cultural precedent wtf? as far as I am concerned the hate crimes laws should have never been enacted, but now to use them only for certain races is wrong, discriminatory and racist
 
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