ive used them for a bunch of years for racing. i think they have that stigma attached to them. yeah, theyre pot metal crap, cast and not the nicest looking stuff, but they do work. mine fold also, ive crashed, well, once or twice i have, and ive never broken one. actually, ive crashed alot on mine. i did manage to actally have one smash up and had the shifter linkage on the shift rod break and the linkage wrapped itself around the peg. but ive had pretty good luck with them. the nice thing is, alot of people have boxes of parts for them, and when they move on to better setups, they want to just give them away. so i have piles of misc modded, bent, welded, and various other abortions that people have given me. as well as alot of good spares. so thats one plus. and oh yeah, i bought mine from todd henning.