[UngaWunga]

So when you've landed a huge (for you) contract do write some inventory management code for an accounting firm that plans on reselling your code and you need to create some demo code, don't put things you find humerous in it. Like don't hide "All your base are belong to us". Especially when its for a very fast growing fastfood chain where you'd never eat. They have no sense of humor.

Especially after they send you their recipe files and ingredient cost....

Anyone ever read the book "Fast Food Nation"? Their costs on the crap you buy from the pimply faced 17yr old over the counter are amazingly low. And I mean amazingly low. And you wonder why small farmers can't earn a living competing with the large argra-businesses...

That's all for now. Back to your beer drinking/fast food eating/TV watching. Your government wants you fat dumb and happy. Go back to watching reruns of Law & Order and Everyone loves Raymond. Your government needs you to prop up a faultering economy by not saving any of your money.

Spend, bitches, spend.

Consume, bitches, comsume.

That's really all for now. Honest.

 

[UngaWunga]

I'm not a pinko commie bastard. So stop thinking that before you think it.

 

[joe c]

a good friend of mine has been working on one for car dealerships for the past couple of years. they sell it around to local dealers. (they tried the manufacturers with no luck) they have been down to the nada show in atlanta and he claims its worth a casual 80k per year profit. they splits it between 3 of them. just extra cash on the side. he says hes been writing in ruby and says it kicks ass.

sorry, i had to fix this, it was such a disaster....

jc



Edited by - joe c on Feb 04 2005 7:46:14 PM

 

[imslow]

yeah. just wait til JB hears about this. Maybe he'll kick the drink slinging gig.

Americans Unite!! Support Our Troops!!

Bwah ha ha

Did Anyone check out Condy's hairdoooooo lately? Looks like one of those wigs made out of plastic from the late 60s
evil.

 

[joe c]

so youre saying its an upgrade?? at least you didnt notice her teeth.

jc

 

[jbranson]

You racist bastards make me sick.


Rob...did you really put my motto into the code?

I wouldn't know where to start on a project that size. Although I'm learning that some things I do for fun, some people are getting big money for.
I'm more of a pixel monkey than code monkey.

JohnnyB

 

[joe c]

this is the same guy who broke his neck snowboarding with me. they go down to the nada show and get a big booth and set up giant flat screens and stuff. pretty cool. anyway, he also has another company that does hosting and email etc....he runs that from servers in his house. another 10k a year for him on the side. he claims he doesnt make enough cash to not have a real job yet but in the next 3 or so years wants to quit working and just do shit on the side. nice eh? right now hes a network architect and security specialist for banks like mbna and chase as well as some insurance companies. heres one of his sites, theres nothing really here, but he usues this for his email clients. hes a pretty cool dude.

http://www.fiftyeast.com

jc

 

[texmawby]

hidden messages in projects are funny! well at least to the authors. in catholic school we had to do a children's book. i hooked up with a honor student who was a great artist. he basically drew a calvin and hobbes type character and i wrote the story line. it was called "sammy the sealion, me and the sea." it kicked ass, we got an A and won the grand prize (got to take a day off of school) to go read it to a class of elementry school kids (catholic too), until one of our friends (a real jackass when i think back on it) got jealous, and tipped off the teacher to our hidden satanic message in it. anyone remember the pro-skater natas culpus? he was sponsored by santa cruz and also santa monica airlines. well anyway, in one scene, in the book, we had our calvin character on the beach with sammy the sealion. dan the honor student drew a surfboard and asked what would be a good design/company to put on the board. i told him that natas was a big surfbord company, so he drew it. well, i thought it was funny, and never told dan. i bragged to this kid donnie (the jackass) about it, and then he dropped the dime after he flunked the project, and i laughed at him in class. well, they don't find satanic messages in children's books too funny in catholic school. dan and i flunked the project, got suspended for three days, and never got to read our book to the kids. honor students don't think flunking is funny either.

why didn't i just say quicksilver?

oh well, f-it (and donnie too)!

tex

p.s.- for those who don't get it natas is satan backwards, whoops!

 

[UngaWunga]

quote:
I wouldn't know where to start on a project that size. Although I'm learning that some things I do for fun, some people are getting big money for.
I'm more of a pixel monkey than code monkey.

You start off with a product specification document. Then you go through it and decide how much time it'll take to do all the sections. Then you multiply that by your hourly rate and quote that to the customer. Its not as simple as that, but you get the idea.

You have to also add your Day of Defeat playing time to the quote. Don't forget that.

 

[jbranson]

It's like when I quote fabrication work.... I add my "sitting there staring at it" time.

JohnnyB

 

[joe c]

thats the majority of what i have to charge for. that and coffee drinking while laughing at poor drawings.

jc

 

[jmt]

quote:
It's like when I quote fabrication work.... I add my "sitting there staring at it" time.

JohnnyB

So that's why you wanted 400 for an exhaust. Just kidding man, I used to work in an equipment repair shop and anytime my boss was writing up a bill and he asked me how long I worked on something in my head I would say "Well I clock in for 9 hours a day, and I started this a day and a half ago, but I did stare at it atleast 25 percent of that time" then I would tell him it took like 8 hours, and he would bill the customer for like 5 cause I was the youngest/least experienced/lowest paid one in the shop. Great job though, I can rebuild engines now.

 

[jbranson]

That's the difference between us schmoos and the doctors and lawyers....they charge for all that "thinking" time.

JohnnyB

 

[UngaWunga]

quote:
That's the difference between us schmoos and the doctors and lawyers....they charge for all that "thinking" time.

I just sent out a bill for 11hours for writing a product specification document. If you're giving business advice, charge for it. If you're spending time on a client, charge for it.

 

[imslow]

as a friend once told me, there is no unbillable time if you're in business for yourself . . .

 

[joe c]

thats right. unfortunately, it means you better not screw up in the production process, and you have to be spot on with your engineering. ever break a machine in the shop on a job and have to spend a day repairing it or waiting for parts?? right now im in the middle of a project that ive never done. breaking totally new ground. everything i do is custom work. but i try to stay within some boundries. this looked too fun to not try, but now its begining to bite me in the ass though. im building a chippendale inspired fence and 2 garden gates. every piece has at least 2 parts that have some kind of trick joinery. its all mortice and tenon stiles and rails. all the dimensions have to be spot on perfect or there are gaps, or the parts wont be at spec. or fit correctly. the posts are 5"x5"x7' solid spanish cedar. each seperate 7'-8" panel has 70 seperate parts. its been a real test to get this thing done. a puzzle of sorts, but its going to look very very cool. i would have loved to billed this at t&m, but unfortunately, in my business, you just cant do that. i refuse to make concessions in quality so once im falling behind, the pressure is bigger and bigger and the money gets less and less. (so the days get longer and longer) things like drawings and site visits have to be built into the price. but if you have to make 10 site visits, instead of 4, how do you bill for that?? it is technically part of the service youre providing initially. so its tough sometimes. especially when you lay awake all night thinking about how to do something. jeeze, if i could bill for those hours.

jc