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If you can't figure out what something would like like without the aid of PS you should either not be working in custom bikes or you have zero imagination and still should find a new hobby.

How much of a pussy do you have to be that you wouldn't try a seat out?
You tell me, seems to fit you. I wouldn't want to PURCHASE a seat to TRY if i didn't feel pretty good
about how it might look on my bike.
I have great ability to visualize but not everyone does and if they want to build a bike they should have at it. They don't need your approval. I often make sketches or full on drawings. Photoshop is a tool, very useful tool
 

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Don't need my approval.
but they are looking for approval by endlessly posting "idea" pictures on the web....
just jerking off in photo shop rather then getting off the computer and in the shop to work.
 

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Don't need my approval.
but they are looking for approval by endlessly posting "idea" pictures on the web....
just jerking off in photo shop rather then getting off the computer and in the shop to work.
So WTF are you doing on here? Seem like it's little more than jerking off in this post. The guy offered to do some free photoshop work for anyone that wanted it and leave it to some of you to find fault in that.
 

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Me?
I'm here for the pie.
 

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If I asked Cafekid to PS a certain bike I was building, in specific colors with specific parts, etc. it would be nice to see how it might look before it is in steel and fiberglass. Much less costly to change ones mind when it is still just an illustration. Most people DO care what the finished bike looks like and there are
a lot of ways to arrive at the same function with some being more or less aesthetically pleasing. I say it has PS has value and can be a nice planing tool for
a project bike.

let me stop you right there because right away those are all things beyond his demonstrated ability. A real rendering, one that would be marginally helpful at least for anything other than color scheme, would be two to three views - at least one front and one rear 3/4 view - and would be actually of the bike you are working on (also it wouldn't be on the stand). Even then it is at most a design study, and often they are highly stylized and the finished execution is compromised.

What cafe kid can do is just hack a picture up using photoshop. that is useless to anybody, esp given how crude it is. On cars a lot of the mechanical bits are hidden, meaning you can figure out any number of ways to get a result. On a bike, nothing is hidden, meaning you have to illustrate how you are going to functionally solve a problem. Cutting a gluing pictures together isn't going to do that, and in fact may lead you to things that are not only beyond your ability, but beyond physics. But who cares they look cool, right?

There are three uses I can think of for renderings:

1) Selling the project. Often shops pitching high dollar projects will do stylized renderings to help them sell the project to a customer. Often these are pen/pencil color drawings and highly stylized. The focus is on the highlighted mods and color schemes rather than functional and will serve as a roadmap to the finishing crew (painter, upolsterer, etc) to keep things roughly about the same theme. See the example below:


2) the "guideline" and Press reference. Sometimes, if a particualr shop is getting a lot of press about a project they may have a rendering done to use as a press photo. These can be the highly stylized like above, or 3d renderd models since they impart more realisim. Depending on the shop and the rendering they may use the image as a way to expirement with functional things like stance, wheel and tire combos, or even unique tech. See example below:


3) just good looking artwork. The guys who do renderings are car and bike guys....but they are also artists. and sometimes they just like to make pretty things that make people happy while showing off their design prowess. sometimes these things lead to awesomeness like the new camaro, or a cool headlight feature on a mini cooper, and sometimes it is just too prove the popularity or a concept and look awesome doing it. see examples below:








you know what you don't see in any of these scenarios? shitty photoshop jobs. know why? because they aren't useful.

and just so you think there aren't guys doing this for motorcycles:

 

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We don't all have the time of ability to do those. A lot of us can't afford to have them done but I can make a sketch of my bike and try several seats, exhaust, bars, etc. and get use of it to make a choice. One doesn't have to have an artist's rendering to visualize, but a nice sketch or photoCHOP will do. You would do well not to assume I am not aware of these types of drawings and their intent and usefulness.
I do like that '64 Plymouth.
 

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clearly you can't read either.

one of the things I point out is that even the high dollar renderings are pretty limited in what they can do for the finished project. What I was illustrating was OTHER usefulness of these rendetrings that a photochop lacks. you know the real value.

Forgive me for expecitng you to be smart enough to get my point, next time I'll just use monosyllabic words to hit you over the head with it.

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and if you think a rendering has "any" value beyond being merely notes....you really have no fucking clue what you are doing.
 

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I don't think there is any need to apologize for anything. I just think you need an education on what is really going on in the hobby to fully understand why your "photoshop" work is a wasted effort.

you are going to have to explain this though:


so let's talk about bikes in general.....

I don't know what you "think" a cafe racer is but it isn't a "style". It is more like a genre. Unlike choppers, these bikes are more defined by their functionality and use than their "look". So any visual representation of a bike isn't going to do a whole lot of good for someone building a project. This isn't like cars where a rendering can actually help because of the massive amount of bodywork - there isn't a lot of bodywork on a bike.

Genre:a category of artistic, musical, or literary composition characterized by a particular style, form, or content.
 

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The kid posted was only slightly better then using MS paint and only proves he has used PS for a few min.

hand drawings would be better then what this kid is offering.
what we are saying is that he and his "skills" are useless to anyone that has a mild sense of what they are doing.


also is this gonzo guy the one that needed a list of platforms to help him with his masterpiece?
i drink alot so I forget
 

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You assume a great deal about people, just as you did cafe kid.


I didn't see where he actually said he was charging for his service. I assume he is, but he didn't outright state it. I wouldn't pay him money for it and given the examples provided I would consider anybody who did a sucker based on the artifacts visible in the pics alone (neither of those pics are suitable for framing).
He never eluded to it being any sort of business transaction. Seems to me the guy just likes doing it and is looking for some new opportunity to enjoy it. No harm intended, none done. You should have better things to do than just sit here and wait to pounce on someone and hurl insults at them under the guise of it being helpful. Those insults rarely have any value.
 

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The kid posted was only slightly better then using MS paint and only proves he has used PS for a few min.

hand drawings would be better then what this kid is offering.
what we are saying is that he and his "skills" are useless to anyone that has a mild sense of what they are doing.


also is this gonzo guy the one that needed a list of platforms to help him with his masterpiece?
i drink alot so I forget
Yes and no. The list was my idea but not for me, but for all those you like to bash and belittle. Save yourself the trouble, create the list, all the parameters you and your like deem proper for this forum and require it be read and a test passed before anyone is allowed to post or even register. It would save you a lot of time on here and allow you more drinking time.
 

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I don't know what you "think" a cafe racer is but it isn't a "style". .
And from the Forum banner:
CAFERACER.NET is the original Cafe Racer enthusiast organization. Our motivation in creating this website is to emphasize and support a dying breed of old-school race bikes. We hope to help promote the style and keep alive the nostalgia of these great bikes and the era from which they were born.

Well is it or isn't a style?
 

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I don't know are you are aren't you an asshole? can we take a poll?

I didn't write the blurb, go find someone who did and ask them. If you ask me....well you know the answer.
 

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The site name, the banner, the four aces, the blurb..... none of that matches what this site actually "is" . All of that is just "bait" to lure in douchey noob hipster wannabes so they can be savagely bashed by ..... well ... um ...... you know .... :eek: just a theory...
 

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The site name, the banner, the four aces, the blurb..... none of that matches what this site actually "is" . All of that is just "bait" to lure in douchey noob hipster wannabes so they can be savagely bashed by ..... well ... um ...... you know .... :eek: just a theory...
Dean, I think you may have something there.
 

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I dont think that PSing is necessarily pointless. I like to see things a little bit before I commit to a color or something. But outside that not real helpful. Besides...how would you really be able to relate your ideas to someone else for photoshop. Especially online! I want a tank that kinda curves here and is flat there...I want the seat to have kind of a bend up here. Id basically have to draw you a picture for you to draw me a picture.
 

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I don't think there is any need to apologize for anything. I just think you need an education on what is really going on in the hobby to fully understand why your "photoshop" work is a wasted effort.

you are going to have to explain this though:


so let's talk about bikes in general.....

I don't know what you "think" a cafe racer is but it isn't a "style". It is more like a genre. Unlike choppers, these bikes are more defined by their functionality and use than their "look". So any visual representation of a bike isn't going to do a whole lot of good for someone building a project. This isn't like cars where a rendering can actually help because of the massive amount of bodywork - there isn't a lot of bodywork on a bike.
Im sorry man but im just 17...a kid who likes the (style) that cafe racers give off. I dont like to haggle over the internet but unlike you I have a life outside this forum and for you to bash me for trying to do something I love and even help other forum users is insulting. This is the last post im making because to be honest I dont need this and your right I should be in the garage working on a bike but unfortunately it is not that easy. It kills me to have to leave a forum like this because some arrogant prick like you needs to tear me apart before I can even get started. Also a rendering and a photoshop edit is two completely different things haha. Im kinda dissapointed that they allow you to bash on new guys like the way you did....someone needs to put a leash on your punk ass. :)
 
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