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Apparently Rossi went to motorcross block-pass camp. nary a glimpse of guilt on his face either. quite a race, although a disturbing finish.
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if i was getting paid the dollars that the top five are in motogp i would have no problem doing that move to any of you.
but alas, i'm not, so i'll continue to race my clapped out cb350 and drive to the races in my $1000.00 1986 dodge van that joe c. is sure that it will implode/explode sometime this season.
zach, with it all on the line, you wouldn't try to win?
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but alas, i'm not, so i'll continue to race my clapped out cb350 and drive to the races in my $1000.00 1986 dodge van that joe c. is sure that it will implode/explode sometime this season.
zach, with it all on the line, you wouldn't try to win?
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if i was getting paid the dollars that the top five are in motogp i would have no problem doing that move to any of you.
but alas, i'm not, so i'll continue to race my clapped out cb350 and drive to the races in my $1000.00 1986 dodge van that joe c. is sure that it will implode/explode sometime this season.
zach, with it all on the line, you wouldn't try to win?
tex
but alas, i'm not, so i'll continue to race my clapped out cb350 and drive to the races in my $1000.00 1986 dodge van that joe c. is sure that it will implode/explode sometime this season.
zach, with it all on the line, you wouldn't try to win?
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yea, nicky appears to have a problem finishing strong. i'm guessing he gets a little tired, gets a little lazy, and those carbon brakes are so strong (and hard to modulate, so i've read) it's probly not hard to tuck the front.
as far as Rossi's pass is concerned. first of all, i expect better from him...he shouldn't have missed that hairpin at the end of the back straight on the last lap in the first place. also, he doesn't have to make passes like that to make money, not with his reputation. i WOULD want to win, and i might try that pass too, but somehow it left me with a bitter aftertaste.
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as far as Rossi's pass is concerned. first of all, i expect better from him...he shouldn't have missed that hairpin at the end of the back straight on the last lap in the first place. also, he doesn't have to make passes like that to make money, not with his reputation. i WOULD want to win, and i might try that pass too, but somehow it left me with a bitter aftertaste.
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yea, nicky appears to have a problem finishing strong. i'm guessing he gets a little tired, gets a little lazy, and those carbon brakes are so strong (and hard to modulate, so i've read) it's probly not hard to tuck the front.
as far as Rossi's pass is concerned. first of all, i expect better from him...he shouldn't have missed that hairpin at the end of the back straight on the last lap in the first place. also, he doesn't have to make passes like that to make money, not with his reputation. i WOULD want to win, and i might try that pass too, but somehow it left me with a bitter aftertaste.
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as far as Rossi's pass is concerned. first of all, i expect better from him...he shouldn't have missed that hairpin at the end of the back straight on the last lap in the first place. also, he doesn't have to make passes like that to make money, not with his reputation. i WOULD want to win, and i might try that pass too, but somehow it left me with a bitter aftertaste.
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hey zach, did you notice rossi tuck the front in the prior corner and save it as his outside foot came completely of the peg?? yeah, hes a better rider than that, but he does get paid to win. and 5 points can be alot! although i think 5 points between rossi and sete arent worth that kind of racing. and yes, i know that statement could easily come back to bite me in the ass. and i dont think think it was all on the line. not yet anyway. i think that kind of racing is what you see at the end of the seaosn. you know, bayliss/edwards imola racing. i think the fat wheelie is what i disliked. thats just not sportsmanlike considering what had happened. but then again, im an american, so what do i know? and i probably would have gone bananas with all of that adrenalin. but fantastic race. cant wait til next weekend!
tex, your van does scare me. i was talking to bucky about it saturday night and i thought he was going to die he was laughing so hard! he holds true to the fact that you got a great deal.
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tex, your van does scare me. i was talking to bucky about it saturday night and i thought he was going to die he was laughing so hard! he holds true to the fact that you got a great deal.
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hey zach, did you notice rossi tuck the front in the prior corner and save it as his outside foot came completely of the peg?? yeah, hes a better rider than that, but he does get paid to win. and 5 points can be alot! although i think 5 points between rossi and sete arent worth that kind of racing. and yes, i know that statement could easily come back to bite me in the ass. and i dont think think it was all on the line. not yet anyway. i think that kind of racing is what you see at the end of the seaosn. you know, bayliss/edwards imola racing. i think the fat wheelie is what i disliked. thats just not sportsmanlike considering what had happened. but then again, im an american, so what do i know? and i probably would have gone bananas with all of that adrenalin. but fantastic race. cant wait til next weekend!
tex, your van does scare me. i was talking to bucky about it saturday night and i thought he was going to die he was laughing so hard! he holds true to the fact that you got a great deal.
jc
tex, your van does scare me. i was talking to bucky about it saturday night and i thought he was going to die he was laughing so hard! he holds true to the fact that you got a great deal.
jc
That's another thing that bothered me about the incident...I watched Rossi screw up that same corner about three times...then he decides he's going to push harder than ever and risk taking someone out with him. He KNEW that he would be all out of shape there and still did it. It didn't appear to warranty any serious penalty but I still say it was an amaturish move that was beneath someone with his skill. I'm disappointed in a guy I've watch win so many races with sheer talent rather than questionable moves. He's done it a couple of other times in the past...as have most racers...but unlike most racers he doesn't HAVE to do that.
As for Nicky.
Like I've said many times, I think the kid has the talent for the job...he doesn't have the head for it. I love him but he'll never be a GP champ or seriously challenging for it....I'd love to have to eat those words this year...but I don't think it's going to happen. GP is a huge mind game and I just don't think Nicky is sharp enough to play that game...even guys like Max have a very difficult time with it. At heart I think Nicky is, and always will be a good ole boy that likes to race and drink beer with his buddies, GP requires a level of focus I don't think he can maintain for a full season. He reminds of Gobert...except a lot smarter....lots of skill but no real head for the game. To win GP you can't be a nice guy giving it the old college try...you have to be a focus freak capable of putting aside all your natural goodness and becoming a machine...."he won't stop, he'll never stop, he doesn't feel remorse...or pain".
It's cliche but.....you have to have the "eye of the tiger"...and Nicky just doesn't have that. It takes more than skill to rise to the top of MotoGP.
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As for Nicky.
Like I've said many times, I think the kid has the talent for the job...he doesn't have the head for it. I love him but he'll never be a GP champ or seriously challenging for it....I'd love to have to eat those words this year...but I don't think it's going to happen. GP is a huge mind game and I just don't think Nicky is sharp enough to play that game...even guys like Max have a very difficult time with it. At heart I think Nicky is, and always will be a good ole boy that likes to race and drink beer with his buddies, GP requires a level of focus I don't think he can maintain for a full season. He reminds of Gobert...except a lot smarter....lots of skill but no real head for the game. To win GP you can't be a nice guy giving it the old college try...you have to be a focus freak capable of putting aside all your natural goodness and becoming a machine...."he won't stop, he'll never stop, he doesn't feel remorse...or pain".
It's cliche but.....you have to have the "eye of the tiger"...and Nicky just doesn't have that. It takes more than skill to rise to the top of MotoGP.
JOhnnyB
That's another thing that bothered me about the incident...I watched Rossi screw up that same corner about three times...then he decides he's going to push harder than ever and risk taking someone out with him. He KNEW that he would be all out of shape there and still did it. It didn't appear to warranty any serious penalty but I still say it was an amaturish move that was beneath someone with his skill. I'm disappointed in a guy I've watch win so many races with sheer talent rather than questionable moves. He's done it a couple of other times in the past...as have most racers...but unlike most racers he doesn't HAVE to do that.
As for Nicky.
Like I've said many times, I think the kid has the talent for the job...he doesn't have the head for it. I love him but he'll never be a GP champ or seriously challenging for it....I'd love to have to eat those words this year...but I don't think it's going to happen. GP is a huge mind game and I just don't think Nicky is sharp enough to play that game...even guys like Max have a very difficult time with it. At heart I think Nicky is, and always will be a good ole boy that likes to race and drink beer with his buddies, GP requires a level of focus I don't think he can maintain for a full season. He reminds of Gobert...except a lot smarter....lots of skill but no real head for the game. To win GP you can't be a nice guy giving it the old college try...you have to be a focus freak capable of putting aside all your natural goodness and becoming a machine...."he won't stop, he'll never stop, he doesn't feel remorse...or pain".
It's cliche but.....you have to have the "eye of the tiger"...and Nicky just doesn't have that. It takes more than skill to rise to the top of MotoGP.
JOhnnyB
As for Nicky.
Like I've said many times, I think the kid has the talent for the job...he doesn't have the head for it. I love him but he'll never be a GP champ or seriously challenging for it....I'd love to have to eat those words this year...but I don't think it's going to happen. GP is a huge mind game and I just don't think Nicky is sharp enough to play that game...even guys like Max have a very difficult time with it. At heart I think Nicky is, and always will be a good ole boy that likes to race and drink beer with his buddies, GP requires a level of focus I don't think he can maintain for a full season. He reminds of Gobert...except a lot smarter....lots of skill but no real head for the game. To win GP you can't be a nice guy giving it the old college try...you have to be a focus freak capable of putting aside all your natural goodness and becoming a machine...."he won't stop, he'll never stop, he doesn't feel remorse...or pain".
It's cliche but.....you have to have the "eye of the tiger"...and Nicky just doesn't have that. It takes more than skill to rise to the top of MotoGP.
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joe - yea, i did see Rossi lose the front in that fast right. that was pretty crazy stuff. i agree with you about the wheelie, not really much to wheelie about if you ask me. i suppose the more remorse he shows the more he admits being out of line, although i think most Rossi fans are a little on edge about that. nevermind Biaggi fans...Turk is furious. i predicted he wouldn't win that race, so i almost feel he cheated me.
johnny B - 'fraid you're right about nicky, although there have been some pretty lame minds behind world championships. Kosinski comes to mind. we have the GP review from 1994, and there is a really interesting interview with Wayne Rainy, talking about what it takes to ride a GP bike (which in '94 was quite different). he talks about the difference between what the body can do (talent), and what the brain learns (skill). Rainy contended that both talent and skill have to be hooked up to get the job done, which, in the case of '94, johnnyK wasn't doing. i feel like nicky is having the same problem, perhaps will a lesser brain problem but a larger deficiency in talent. because when johnnyK was off, he was way off. he couldn't qualify, couldn't ride, it all fell apart. whereas nicky does appears to play his cards right and suffers a lapse of concentration or something.
apparently the reason Valentino's dad Graziano didn't make it as a GP star was that he didn't have the killer instinct, one that i think Nicky does have, and Vale CLEARLY has. to digress, i love how sinister Rossi's killer instinct is too, how he stalks the leader, catches up and waits. Sete had no idea if Rossi had more to offer until Rossi passed him and ran away in a matter of two laps. brilliant stuff, shame he missed that corner and was forced to do battle in the last half a lap.
back to subject: John Hopkins is the American that can do it, i think. he had the flu at Jerez, and the GSV-R has had the flu since the introduction of the four-stroke rule. put Hopper in Melandri or Edwards' seat, and you've got a solid combo.
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johnny B - 'fraid you're right about nicky, although there have been some pretty lame minds behind world championships. Kosinski comes to mind. we have the GP review from 1994, and there is a really interesting interview with Wayne Rainy, talking about what it takes to ride a GP bike (which in '94 was quite different). he talks about the difference between what the body can do (talent), and what the brain learns (skill). Rainy contended that both talent and skill have to be hooked up to get the job done, which, in the case of '94, johnnyK wasn't doing. i feel like nicky is having the same problem, perhaps will a lesser brain problem but a larger deficiency in talent. because when johnnyK was off, he was way off. he couldn't qualify, couldn't ride, it all fell apart. whereas nicky does appears to play his cards right and suffers a lapse of concentration or something.
apparently the reason Valentino's dad Graziano didn't make it as a GP star was that he didn't have the killer instinct, one that i think Nicky does have, and Vale CLEARLY has. to digress, i love how sinister Rossi's killer instinct is too, how he stalks the leader, catches up and waits. Sete had no idea if Rossi had more to offer until Rossi passed him and ran away in a matter of two laps. brilliant stuff, shame he missed that corner and was forced to do battle in the last half a lap.
back to subject: John Hopkins is the American that can do it, i think. he had the flu at Jerez, and the GSV-R has had the flu since the introduction of the four-stroke rule. put Hopper in Melandri or Edwards' seat, and you've got a solid combo.
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joe - yea, i did see Rossi lose the front in that fast right. that was pretty crazy stuff. i agree with you about the wheelie, not really much to wheelie about if you ask me. i suppose the more remorse he shows the more he admits being out of line, although i think most Rossi fans are a little on edge about that. nevermind Biaggi fans...Turk is furious. i predicted he wouldn't win that race, so i almost feel he cheated me.
johnny B - 'fraid you're right about nicky, although there have been some pretty lame minds behind world championships. Kosinski comes to mind. we have the GP review from 1994, and there is a really interesting interview with Wayne Rainy, talking about what it takes to ride a GP bike (which in '94 was quite different). he talks about the difference between what the body can do (talent), and what the brain learns (skill). Rainy contended that both talent and skill have to be hooked up to get the job done, which, in the case of '94, johnnyK wasn't doing. i feel like nicky is having the same problem, perhaps will a lesser brain problem but a larger deficiency in talent. because when johnnyK was off, he was way off. he couldn't qualify, couldn't ride, it all fell apart. whereas nicky does appears to play his cards right and suffers a lapse of concentration or something.
apparently the reason Valentino's dad Graziano didn't make it as a GP star was that he didn't have the killer instinct, one that i think Nicky does have, and Vale CLEARLY has. to digress, i love how sinister Rossi's killer instinct is too, how he stalks the leader, catches up and waits. Sete had no idea if Rossi had more to offer until Rossi passed him and ran away in a matter of two laps. brilliant stuff, shame he missed that corner and was forced to do battle in the last half a lap.
back to subject: John Hopkins is the American that can do it, i think. he had the flu at Jerez, and the GSV-R has had the flu since the introduction of the four-stroke rule. put Hopper in Melandri or Edwards' seat, and you've got a solid combo.
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johnny B - 'fraid you're right about nicky, although there have been some pretty lame minds behind world championships. Kosinski comes to mind. we have the GP review from 1994, and there is a really interesting interview with Wayne Rainy, talking about what it takes to ride a GP bike (which in '94 was quite different). he talks about the difference between what the body can do (talent), and what the brain learns (skill). Rainy contended that both talent and skill have to be hooked up to get the job done, which, in the case of '94, johnnyK wasn't doing. i feel like nicky is having the same problem, perhaps will a lesser brain problem but a larger deficiency in talent. because when johnnyK was off, he was way off. he couldn't qualify, couldn't ride, it all fell apart. whereas nicky does appears to play his cards right and suffers a lapse of concentration or something.
apparently the reason Valentino's dad Graziano didn't make it as a GP star was that he didn't have the killer instinct, one that i think Nicky does have, and Vale CLEARLY has. to digress, i love how sinister Rossi's killer instinct is too, how he stalks the leader, catches up and waits. Sete had no idea if Rossi had more to offer until Rossi passed him and ran away in a matter of two laps. brilliant stuff, shame he missed that corner and was forced to do battle in the last half a lap.
back to subject: John Hopkins is the American that can do it, i think. he had the flu at Jerez, and the GSV-R has had the flu since the introduction of the four-stroke rule. put Hopper in Melandri or Edwards' seat, and you've got a solid combo.
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yeah, and i think edwards is too old now. not being on a machine that can perform at the top for the past couple of seasons i think has really hurt his level of competitiveness. in the meantime, rossi, sete, and the rest have been able to move forward. and whats up with the suzukis?? the new motor is supposed to be about 1000x better than last year. it'll be cool to see how they progress this year too. hopefully hopkins can stay on. it will be really cool to see the americans at laguna slapping it to the rest of the guys. hopefuly they'll have the advantage even though rossi and max have been there before. it'll be cool to see how sete does there too. but really, what do i know?? i hope to see pedrosa go to gp next year. that guy should be really fast. if he can get his toes on the ground.
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yeah, and i think edwards is too old now. not being on a machine that can perform at the top for the past couple of seasons i think has really hurt his level of competitiveness. in the meantime, rossi, sete, and the rest have been able to move forward. and whats up with the suzukis?? the new motor is supposed to be about 1000x better than last year. it'll be cool to see how they progress this year too. hopefully hopkins can stay on. it will be really cool to see the americans at laguna slapping it to the rest of the guys. hopefuly they'll have the advantage even though rossi and max have been there before. it'll be cool to see how sete does there too. but really, what do i know?? i hope to see pedrosa go to gp next year. that guy should be really fast. if he can get his toes on the ground.
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yea, i dunno about Pedrosa in GP. size means a lot, according to Mick Doohan. i didn't realize Biaggi and Rossi have been to Laguna before. when was that?
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yea, i dunno about Pedrosa in GP. size means a lot, according to Mick Doohan. i didn't realize Biaggi and Rossi have been to Laguna before. when was that?
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Xaus a great example of the size issue...certain amount of "length" helps you move the bike around...gives you more to hang off here and there...too much size starts to be a hinderence...as I imagine too little can also.
I think Nicky WANTS to win as bad as anyone out there....I don't think he's capable of making some of the moves required....regrettably moves like Rossi made to win. And I mean I don't think he's mentally able to do it, I think the skills is there for the most part.
John K. was a freak...the freakin guy is practically insane from what I've heard...I don't mean good insane... I mean freaky, sex change, mad cow, Jacko kind of weird. Motorcycle racing seemed to be kind of a temporary distraction in his life of overall stangeness. But...he is an excellent interior decorator if what I hear is true.
Edwards.....out of the game. Family...kids...it's a job. He'll try hard enough to keep his job...he won't try hard enough, or take the chances required to win.
Rossi is going to be hard to beat again this year...he's got the whole rider package....Sete will have to plain and simple out "quality" Rossi...Sete will have to be super smooth, no mistakes, very fast. He's a bit short on skill and mindset compared to Rossi I think, but I think the Honda still has the lead in handling and power. He will have to be super consistant and hope Rossi makes mistakes.
Sure wish there was a Hagasan of old, or an E. Bostrom slider, or someone out there willing to let it hang out and win....Rossi does sometimes...but I guess that's not what wins races. Fun to watch though.
I have been rooting in this order....Hayden, Edwards, Rossi....well...scratch Edwards...he's going no where this year...Nicky...I'll give him a couple more races to decide...then it's back to Rossi...but Rossi made it a little bit harder for me to like him this week.
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I think Nicky WANTS to win as bad as anyone out there....I don't think he's capable of making some of the moves required....regrettably moves like Rossi made to win. And I mean I don't think he's mentally able to do it, I think the skills is there for the most part.
John K. was a freak...the freakin guy is practically insane from what I've heard...I don't mean good insane... I mean freaky, sex change, mad cow, Jacko kind of weird. Motorcycle racing seemed to be kind of a temporary distraction in his life of overall stangeness. But...he is an excellent interior decorator if what I hear is true.
Edwards.....out of the game. Family...kids...it's a job. He'll try hard enough to keep his job...he won't try hard enough, or take the chances required to win.
Rossi is going to be hard to beat again this year...he's got the whole rider package....Sete will have to plain and simple out "quality" Rossi...Sete will have to be super smooth, no mistakes, very fast. He's a bit short on skill and mindset compared to Rossi I think, but I think the Honda still has the lead in handling and power. He will have to be super consistant and hope Rossi makes mistakes.
Sure wish there was a Hagasan of old, or an E. Bostrom slider, or someone out there willing to let it hang out and win....Rossi does sometimes...but I guess that's not what wins races. Fun to watch though.
I have been rooting in this order....Hayden, Edwards, Rossi....well...scratch Edwards...he's going no where this year...Nicky...I'll give him a couple more races to decide...then it's back to Rossi...but Rossi made it a little bit harder for me to like him this week.
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