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Just out of curiosity....
If you could change any of the rules the USCRA runs to make a class
more competitive, what would it be? I only race in Middleweight and
F2, so I don't know much about the other classes and how even they are with the different types of machinery.

What do y'all think about a proposal to open a "Formula-CB" class for mostly stock CB350s. It would always be run with the 350gp class, but remove the Honda twins from the 350GP class for the purists. Limited mods might be allow cb450 forks and front drum.

I might go early to sit in on the rules commitee meeting.
 

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well, seeing as how i run in that class, i dont like the requirements youre proposing. not that i dont like the basic plan, 350gp running with fcb. i think thats a good idea. i think it could drive some faster cb riders out, rab has done alot to get his bike fast in stock trim. as much as some guys do with p2 lwsv bikes. id like to not see it limited to 450 drums. i think thats lame. especially since ive just gotten a waterbuff brake. there are alot of bikes that dont run stock brakes or 450 brakes as well as different forks. jb has the fork argument to a t. i think any internally dampened forks with or with out external springs etc.... and the 450 drums are getting harder to find. you can easily find the waterbuffalo on ebay now, but the 450 is harder and harder to come up with. my current front end setup is 550/4 forks internals with the 450 drum. my new setup is 750ss forks/internals, with the waterbuff brake. you could still bump to lwsv/p2 and 500gp though. but what if you wanted to run 350gp instead?? then it becomes like running with wera. they run 350gp and v1 durring the same race. which i dont really like. it means you only get 1 extra bump race. but they run a very small vintage program. id also like to see stock motored/carb'd 350/4 hondas in fcb. i mean why not? since its not a period class anymore. and since its a 350, what the hell? the other thing, wera uses the 350gp rules now. so i think its catching on that way. they are getting bigger grids all of the time now. which is great and maybe there will be some more crossover this season. tex and i are lobbying hard for it.

anyway, just some thoughts.

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i agree with joe...a little bit. i think motor restrictions and having a period look to the bike is what's needed. CB350s are too fast hopped up for P1 350, but stock they're okay, i think everyone pretty much agrees on that. but beyond that, i think a period look is all you need. as long as there's a drum brake and 35mm forks, there isn't going to be much that a CB can do against a well prepped ducati or 350 manx etc. i'm all for a purist class and a CB class, but maybe first there should be enough 'pure' bikes to make up a grid. 'purists' just don't want people to be able to win on a CB350, but i don't think they can as it stands now. Rabbie could win, but not if anyone equally fast is on a well prepped Ducati, Aermacchi or 350 manx.
that's what i think.

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i agree completey. i was just saying rabbie built a fast bike to hang up front with the ducs etc... if hes restricted to a fcb class, then i dont think hed be too interested anymore. i have 35mm fork tubes, and drum brakes. why should i be restricted to using only certain ones now??? and personally, i think marks idea about grinding off brake disk brake stay lugs is the most retarded (no offense to the retards out there) idea ever. and to think the rules committee went along with it. oh, ok, you can use non period forks, but you have to just grind this off, and then its ok. think of all of the bikes out there that arent running a 450 or 350 drum. there are quite a few. and why not a 305?? anyway, this is all too nit picky for my taste. i like the rules the way they are now as far as bike prep. dividing into a seperate class, but running the same time would be a great idea. but let us keep building the hondas the way we have been. doesnt rab have a duc hes going to bring out this year anyway??

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I've yet to see anyone REALLY try to build a CB350 to win the P1 350 class. Despite common opinion the rules DO NOT say you can't modify the frame on a CB350. If someone was determined and built a 260-275 lb CB350 with top notch suspension and setup I think they'd come close to being able to keep up with anything out there. It would require a custom frame and the lightest of components..and you'd still be down on power compared to a good running Duc..but you'd be in the fight. At 275 you'd be in the power/weight ball park of a hot rodded CB350. Most of the CB350's in P1 around about 370 lbs!

Put a GOOD 150 lb rider on a 275 lb CB350 and you'd have a good shot at top three finishes I think.

Not sure what this has to do with rules...but there you go.
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did you see the pics of that 350 frame frank was modding?? holy crap. the only original parts were the swingarm pivot and the headset. pretty intense. id like to get a look at it if it ever shows up at the track. how many 150 lb riders do you think this club has??? geeze.

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quote: id like to not see it limited to 450 drums. i think thats lame. especially since ive just gotten a waterbuff brake. there are alot of bikes that dont run stock brakes or 450 brakes as well as
<sigh> I was using that as an example....
 

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okay, i got it. anyway, i think you know what i think. i say bring it on. and i really think the 350/4's should do it too. i dont know about what kind of brakes they should or could run, but i had some really fun races with jd when he had his. we were pretty evenly matched i thought. but i really dont know enough about the 350/4's to say for sure either way. also, who would bump into this new class?? 250gp?? theyd bump to 350. or could you have a choice of which class to run. you can run either 350 or fcb if you have a 250 gp bike. that could make things interesting.

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i COULD weigh 150 lb at 6 feet 2 in. if I had the courage to cut off my dick which weighs about 15 lb. less than Jeremy's head.

I'm gonna be like JB in 10 years. i wanna run a bar.

All your dicks are mine!!!! Bwahhahahah

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dude, i'm 6'2" and about 175...anyone care to imagine me being 25 lbs skinnier? yea, me neither.

also, my point still stands even if someone went through all the trouble of building a light 350 that handled well. purists could still be happy as long as the CB can't beat the 'pure' singles right?

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i think if a 350 honda regularly beat the period bikes again, thered be more bitching. when dave evans won it, was greg riding the duc??? who was his biggest competition then?? it was just before i started. hmmm


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Zack, oh yeah, you're correct, even if a killer stock engined CB beat a period single they'd have the legitimate beef that's it's post period. Doesn't a super duper stock CB make about 32hp? You'd still have to work a Duc single to get that hp.

I think the class is kind of cool the way it is. My point is I've heard some people that want a FCB class cause they never get to win P1350 on a CB...well I don't think they are trying very hard...from an equipment standpoint. You've done pretty well on a stock CB in the class..and a not real nice stocker from what I heard.

I've got no problem letting the post period 350's in the class...but I also think the period bikes with the big investments should get the glory of beating them...course if they ran them at the same time they'd still get the glory.

Another thing is since I don't race in the class my opinion doesn't mean shit...cause I'll be the first person to tell someone that doesn't race in my class to butt out :)
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geez zach, did you ever think someone would consider you as a fat ass?

as of 1/9/05 i weigh in at: 139.6 lbs and stand 6'1".

god, i shouldn't have eaten that entire cheesecake, i suddenly feel fat, i better go on a diet! ;)

tex

p.s. - SWM, 6'1", 140lbs, ISO 275lb cb350, to go for long rides and maybe torment zach at nhis next year.
 

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quote:
as of 1/9/05 i weigh in at: 139.6 lbs and stand 6'1".
lol...
6'4" 170lbs. I lost around 10lbs after breaking the arm, no exercise. I'm now getting it back.

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p.s. - SWM, 6'1", 140lbs, ISO 275lb cb350, to go for long rides and maybe torment zach at nhis next year.
all it takes is money...
 

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Tex, I 's go to get to know you. Who are you? have I seen you b4? Talk 2me. U kt way that much. Yes, i ride a 350 Honda in the 350 GP. Though it blew up at Frontierland. Were you there?

Who are you, Tex? Everyone knows you but me. Have we met?

Evil Scott

PS. We visited Peter Kennedy's today in Yarmouth. WOW. great shop (spotless) and Snap on tools and History in Motorcycles. It's great he'll be riding vintage this year. He's been a winner in the singles class at LRRS.
 

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evil,

i've been coming up to loudon (nhis) for sometime now. i was a wrench for frank "uch" giannini for five years (he ran 250 & 450 ducati singles, a couple of aermacchis, and a 750 ducati). his riders were chris marshall, chris kelleher, stan lipert, rick frieze, and a long time before i joined up, johnathan spinney.

i bought a derbi in 2000 and rode it till 2003 (#361). then with lots of help from friends, built a cb350 "stocker" and rode it primarily with wera, but also at least twice a year with uscra since 2002.

i normally hang at the track with carlos garcia, bob bove, doug donelin, and chris minks. lately i've been seen around joe c, but when samara talkin comes back racing i'm gonna drop him like a bad habit. i secretly have a crush on aaron, he is the coolest!

my current bikes are a 1989 rs125 and 1971 cb350. i also drive a 1986 dodge ram van that is painted osha orange.

yes, i do weigh that much. when i was a freshman in high school (1985) i was only 4'8" and 65lbs. i guess i never had a weight issue.

i'd enclose a picture, but i really don't know how to do it and i think it might be perceived as a little creepy.

i don't know if we've ever met, but hey there is always next season.

till then, caio, and get wrenching on that reiju.

positively!

tex
 
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