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what kind of moto and what is the VIN.... stuff like that has started to come easier for me....
 

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if there isn't a plate look closely to see if it's just stamped in the frame. My older Honda has it stamped in the frame on the fork neck and is hard to see.
 

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I believe that 81 was the first year for the required 14 digit VIN. I know this is true with cars, but probably with motos as well.
 

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17 digits after '81 I think. Some earlier bikes you add the model/series number to the stamp number on the frame ie; T140--------
 

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Right, that's what I was thinking of.
 
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