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I dropped my bike off at the mechanic today and this is what he told me... First he said, full tune up would cost me 150.00, which from what I heard was alot of stuff, then after I told him what i was experiencing on the ride over ther he said that it was probably something to do with the carbs and then he showed me a carb that had a rubber piece this is exactly what he showed me...


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and he showed me how that can get pin holes in it, and that is what he thinks is my problem then he said and if that's the problem, that and I quote" will be real expensive" he said those peices are very hard to find and that they could cost over 160 dollars a piece and I would probably need 4 of them????

At first he said it would be about 550.00, and then I realized he was going to get me some of those cheng tires and charge me almost 70 dollars a piece for them,, I was like what? I can get them for 25 bucks!

Anyway after it was all said and done he said it would be around 450.00, now if I get everything done and I mean everything to the point it would not have to be touched for another 5 years or so, its a good deal but if I am paying that and he really aint fixin shit, I think he is screwing me, but I did ask him If I can be around when he works on the bike ( want to atleast learn) and he said he did not have a problem with it... And he was also putting my new headlight, bars, grips, levers(clutch/brake), mirrors and tires on as well, for that price, so am I getting screwed?? If so it sucks because he is the only guy around that does this stuff....... Any way let me know what you guys think?
 

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Let see - he's building your bike, tuning it and basically getting it running for you - and you think your getting screwed... Why don't you go take a MC repair course, get 10 years experience doing the work and do it all yourself. Your paying for the man's time - that should be worth something.

You limo-bikers piss me off...
 

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nothing really seems out of line to me, except that your CB360 would need 4 of the slide rubbers.

He has to pay $1500 a month to rent the building he is in.

He has to pay himself to feed his family

he has electric, phone, internet, gas bills every month.

Liability insurance every month.

lots of overhead in other words. out of that $450, the shop will make maybe $100.

many customers realize this and gladely pay the guy extra just to keep his doors open. Be one of these customers unless you want to learn yourself. Many people have no interest in learning how to do their own work, its nothing to be ashamed of or anything. You just have to expect in return that you now pay a lot more for repairs.

I actually look for tires online, find the cheapest price. then i go to my local shop and if its 20% more per tire, i'm still happy to keep my money local. you live and learn.

But it doesn't sound like he is trying to screw you to me.
 

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You're lucky to even find a guy thats willing to work on an old bike like that. 450.00 sounds like a good deal to me. Take it. One question, why own and ride an old bike like that if you can't do most of the work on it yourself? Before you know it you'll have more money in "professional" repair than the bike is worth.
 

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is this for the 360T, you if you need to replace the slide and diaphram the PART is 90 bucks from bike bandit a piece. you need two of them. they certainly aren't cheap. Parts unlimited retail price on cheng shits to fit em are 45 bucks a pop. our shop would charge probably 150 bucks for the carb diaphram replacment rough guess, and and $75 to do the tires, probably a high guess. why are you paying someone to put on handlebars and a mirrors? now that you should be screwed on. you may have come off as an ass or something.
 

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After seeing prices on what shops charge is why I started working on my cars. It's not because I wanted to, it was because I couldn't afford it. Now I just do it myself unless I have the money to do it and something I don't feel like doing. I don't bash on the prices of what shops charge cause I have a really close friend who manages his dad's shop so I know it's what puts the bread and butter on their tables. Either buy a manual and do it yourself, buy a good set of rebuilt or working carbs or pay up and get it done correctly.
 

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But you can't buy a lot of skills.
 

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quote:Originally posted by buckandaquarter

But you can't buy a lot of skills.
LOL!

$75 for tires? Each, that isn't bad if he's also mounting them for you. That's a pain to do, especially since he has to screw around with the tubes in each one. Is he replacing the tubes?

Instead of stomping out of there in a huff, take a few minutes to learn a little about your bike. Knowledge is power. If you bring it to a shop then, at least you'll have a clue what things really cost and how much time it will really take to do something.

The problem with older bikes is that there's a few million stupid things that can be wrong with them. And tracing down ignition problems due to old wiring is a pain and time consuming.
 

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I guess I may have come off sounding like a cheap ass and a dick(not my intention), I really like this forum and I posted this because I know you guys will be honest with me. I am somone that would much rather do it myself but I do not have the time , the skills, the tools, or the garage to do it. I appreciate the insight you guys have given me. I do not mind paying the guy 1000 bucks if its worth it and you guys have clearly spoken to say that 450 is worth it. I am all about keeping the small guys in business and that is why I did not take my bike to a larger honda dealer not far from here... I realize how lucky I am to find someone that will be willing to work on my bike, but because I am not too familiar with this process I needed to see what you guys thought. I am going to try and get to him when he starts to work on it, so I can try to get a lesson out of the deal ;)and I will use the information you guys have provided me along with the websites to try ang get the parts I need.

thankx for all of the great advice, I will be in touch once I get the bike back or if something comes up.
 

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In my opinion, and as stated elsewhere on this forum, I'd ditch the CV carbs and put some 28 or 30mm Mikuni VM roundslides on it. If my bike ('72 CB350) was representative of most CV-equipped Honda twins, those CVs will be giving you problems for the rest of your life. If you're willing to spend ~$500 getting your carbs tuned up, I'd imagine you could buy the Mikunis and get them professionally set up for that price. The carbs are around $100 a piece, about $50 for a Motion Pro throttle cable (designed for a Yamaha Banshee 4-wheeler), and anywhere from $20 to maybe $100 on tuning parts like jets, needles, throttle valves, etc. The stock manifolds from my 350 worked on my 32mm Mikunis, so they might work for you. After parts, that still leaves about $200 in your budget for the professional tuning. VMs are great, and I consider my swap to be the finest mod I've made to my bike so far.
 

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"Anyway after it was all said and done he said it would be around 450.00, now if I get everything done and I mean everything to the point it would not have to be touched for another 5 years or so"

this is why if you are going to wrench for a living

you don't do it for anyone but wealthy people
 

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I have (and still do occasionally) wrench on cars for a living. I will tell someone when they can do it themselves if I know what they are capable of. I don't think I would make much working on your bike if I had to spend that much time on it. $70/ tire is good once you consider shipping, tube, rim strip (if included) and mounting. How much does he charge to mount and balance one tire? You may be able to buy one tire for $25, but you have to take the whole package into account if you can't mount and balance it yourself. Parts and labor for those problems seems perfectly reasonable to me, but ask him how much to just mount and set up tha pair of carbs that Pinche linked. You really should learn to do the basics, though, and bring the man some snacks/beverages if you will be hanging over his shoulder. My shop charges (for cars) $72/hr and you can't bring your own parts without permission. $90/hr if you watch and $120/hr if you help.
 

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Hey Buck,
he was going to charge 70 dollars a tire then charge another 70 dollars to put them both on, so I told him I would get the tires and he can just charge me to put them on...

Hey Whiskey,

Do you have a link where I can find those carbs? Are they going to be ok to use for a 360 t
 

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quote:Originally posted by bdn3d

I would probably need 4 of them????

Anyway after it was all said and done he said it would be around 450.00, now if I get everything done and I mean everything to the point it would not have to be touched for another 5 years or so
I have no idea why he said you'd need 4 slides when 360 is a twin?
This actually makes me a bit suspicious of intentions?
You will still have to do routine maintainance, even if you do very low mileage, re-set points/timing, engine oil, valve adjust, tyre pressures, etc.
$150.00 for service(you tune piano's) is about going rate ($120.00~175.00 depending on bike)
Servicing is going to be needed around 1,500 mile intervals, if you do low mileage you'll spend more on carb cleaning, whatever carbs you fit
The fact he doesn't mind you watching is a plus, either you appreciate what he's doing and take it back when needed or try and do it yourself then spend more money when you mess up. (I've never had any problems with people watching me work, you never show them everything you do)
PJ
 

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The carbs are pretty universal and available lots of places. I got mine from Dennis Kirk. Again, they're Mikuni VM series roundslide carbs. You'll want one with a right-hand idle screw and one with a left-hand screw, so they're easy to adjust on the bike. 28mm would be best for low end power and throttle response, and 30mm would give you a bit more top end power. I'd go with the 30s. I'm not sure if they'll fit into CB360 intake manifolds, a bit or research would be a good idea. They'd also take a bit of work to adapt to the stock air boxes, I'd guess. I got the throttle cable from Sudco. It might take a bit of work, but the results would be worth it.
 

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You're lucky you found someone willing to take a moment to explain to you what was wrong. I think I'm the only mech in Lubbock willing to do so much.
 
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