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In MSF school.

There are a lot of people that want to ride motorcycles that should really never ride again after tomorrow.

If they bother to show up.

Fucking scary.
 

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Two girls in the one I took; Neither knew what the clutch was the first time on the bikes. Both passed with flying colors. Daddy bought one a new Ninja 250. Probably not a bad choice, normally, in Tampa, great way to get ran over. The other, she got a new GSX-R600. I wouldn't be surprised if she died on it.
 

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These are the type that split lanes on a sportster and take out my mirror.

I really can't believe the dmv passes some that can barely balance their machine. It's unsafe for them and for others around them.
 

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I can't really recall many riders that I trained, who should not be on the road. In either aptitude or attitude.

The Harley guys who only had car licenses, but rode motorcycles for years anyhow, were probably the worst. I think they were petrified that they'd make total fools of themselves when riding the course, in front of women, or someone would snap a photo with them on a Japper, that would end up on the wall at the local bar, or somewheres. They'd roll their eyes around, knowing there was no way to escape the tiddler bike horror embarrassment scenario.


Funny when the course was done, they were often like over-excited girls after owning a shiny red Vespa for a summer's month. Knowing how to actually control a motorcycle for the first time, truly shocked, stimulated and amazed them. God only knows how bad their riding on the street was before. Then their latent homo bonding with the "hero" instructor kicks in. Much like at high school, after K.O.ing a dick, and then it's all wanting to be happy-loving shipmates. I can do without it, thanks. Loner me.

I had one guy who couldn't even ride a tiny scooter, even after days of dedicated one on one instruction. Less said about that unco clump the better.

I had one "joe cool" in a Brando jacket once, who's attitude and ignorance totally sucked. Doing short hop mini-burnouts and was genuinely too cool for school. What a TPITA. I found him in a pine forest with his marijuana plants one day, months later, that was a laugh. Not anywhere near as cool then, aye! I don't know if he thought I was deputized and ready to bust him, rip him off, or both. T'was fun watching him squirm, though. Meh-ijuana: not my job.

Danger, is my business."
 

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I used to recommend to wannabe new riders that wanted to ride on road to take a year or two and learn in the dirt. I also told them that they should only move to the road after being able to comfortably push their dirt bike sliding and maintain control. No one ever listened. I would not want a new rider I care about to drive in the conditions I witness these days where I live. I can almost guarantee that I will come across a poorly trimmed left turned once a day and II hi/lo beam the cars that look suspect and some still pull out. I am going to be getting a helmet cam so there is some evidence for the one I don't miss.
 

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I used to recommend to wannabe new riders that wanted to ride on road to take a year or two and learn in the dirt. I also told them that they should only move to the road after being able to comfortably push their dirt bike sliding and maintain control. No one ever listened. I would not want a new rider I care about to drive in the conditions I witness these days where I live. I can almost guarantee that I will come across a poorly trimmed left turned once a day and II hi/lo beam the cars that look suspect and some still pull out. I am going to be getting a helmet cam so there is some evidence for the one I don't miss.
That's amusingly scary. In the UK, flashing your headlights is an invitation for the person to pull out in front of you, i.e. that you're giving them a space in front.
 

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I used to recommend to wannabe new riders that wanted to ride on road to take a year or two and learn in the dirt. I also told them that they should only move to the road after being able to comfortably push their dirt bike sliding and maintain control. No one ever listened. I would not want a new rider I care about to drive in the conditions I witness these days where I live. I can almost guarantee that I will come across a poorly trimmed left turned once a day and II hi/lo beam the cars that look suspect and some still pull out. I am going to be getting a helmet cam so there is some evidence for the one I don't miss.
I totally agree with the dirt riding. If you learn control in less than optimal conditions, the transition to better conditions better prepares you for the little surprises that do happen.

But I disagree on the flashing thing. They may see it, but will they acknowledge it by not running you over anyway?

Class had 2 fails. A know it all kid that dropped the bike in the figure 8 box and a nice lady who just never got comfortable on the bike.

I did well (100% written, lost 1 point riding. Was under their speed threshold on entrance to the curve, though I powered out purposefully) and tried like hell to retrain my brain to not be a 2 finger braker and right side dominant (I tend to mount/dismount from the right...to the instructors a Bozo no no).
 

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Nic, I agree with nicebikemate about flashing the headlight. I would consider that a "go ahead" signal.

Farmerjohn, whyveould it make any difference what side you get off/on from? I figure 99% of us mount/dismount from the left side, but no harm doing it from right- actually in the USA I would think it would be safer to dismount from the right (curb side).
Personally I have a hard time getting on and especially pushing a bike from the right side.

Back when I did a poll here the consensus was left side. Because our ancestors hung their swords on the left, so got on their horses from left.
 

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My buddy did his MSF a few years ago and never went back to get his full license,
I keep getting on his case about it, because I have 2 street bikes :/ if he just went and got the rest of it we could go riding.

He was the only student to get 100% in their history to date. Had a lot of fun with it too apparently, he didn't mention going in that he was a national expert champion trials rider.
After the course he wanted to ride their little motorcycle over the garbage dumpsters real bad, but the trainers weren't up for it. … they have no sense of humour those trainers ;)
 

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Oh, there was a bonus

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Well worth the price of admission. I may never use it, but I'll find a place to stow it on either bike...just in case I fall in with a bunch of BMW riders...
 

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Never used to flash people but I was having so many peop 'll e pull out on me I started. It has stopped some and I am prepaid for the ones that still pull out. I have to admit I live in the worst area for rider safety that I have ever ever experienced. Car bike incidents are common, I pick my routes to avoid the death zones as much as possible
 

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I'm starting to think that a GoPro or a reasonable facsimile will be standard equipment on my M/C. The local drivers don't seem to be able to grasp the meaning of a stop sign. It's unbelievable how many cars pull out in front of you. Totally takes the fun out of riding. I even sent an e-mail to the local constabulary and asked if I sent them a video, would they use it to issue a ticket. They claimed that they would. It would nice to have the ability to do that for the dicks that pull out, almost kill you, and roar off like nothing happened, although...I would get more satisfaction out of using a bat instead of the camera. I won't even take my bike into the neighbourhood northwest of me. It's 90% recent arrivals that don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of driving period.
 

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Years ago the WI DMV wanted to show the dangers in drinking and riding. So they gathered up a variety, about 10 -15, riders of various experience levels ranging from rank beginners up to expert licensed roadracers. My friend fell into the last category. They took them to the MSF course and used the little msf bikes. They videoed all of this and you could watch the general degradation of performance to the point that people were falling over and crashing the little bikes. My friend was still able to pass the driving test when he said he was so hammered he would not have even considered riding a bike. So the point is that the basic MSF test is so easy that a drunk expert can still pass it.

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So the point is that the basic MSF test is so easy that a drunk expert can still pass it.
That doesn't really surprise me. In my college days we used to do a lot of drinking and riding bicycles late at night. I am a bit amazed at what we did in the state we were in. A friend of mine told me that in his younger days he used to ride his CBX to parties, drink way too much, and then ride home. He only got caught out by it once. He was so drunk he pulled up to a red light and fell over when he forgot to put his feet down. I can honestly say I've never ridden a motorycle drunk. I never have the first drink when on a bike so I never have to decide if I've had too much...
 

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I don't drink much but when I do - I make it a point to stay home... I have a two bottle rule when it comes to riding - any more than that and I begin to ride way too stupid...
 

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I've driven my lawn tractor on a hot day after a few beers and can't drive it straight enough to get neat stripes. Also ridden out on the horses and stopped at a pub for a cold beer, which was so nice I had another pint. Fell off on the way home after the horse spooked at something in the hedgerow.

But then, I've fox hunted on horseback with whisky or brandy in my flask and was absolutely fine.
 

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Years ago the WI DMV wanted to show the dangers in drinking and riding. So they gathered up a variety, about 10 -15, riders of various experience levels ranging from rank beginners up to expert licensed roadracers. My friend fell into the last category. They took them to the MSF course and used the little msf bikes. They videoed all of this and you could watch the general degradation of performance to the point that people were falling over and crashing the little bikes. My friend was still able to pass the driving test when he said he was so hammered he would not have even considered riding a bike. So the point is that the basic MSF test is so easy that a drunk expert can still pass it.

Ken

We tried that experiment 40 years ago with beer and motocrossers
:I indeed they don't mix, first your performance goes for a shit and then after a few more beers you just don't care if you crash or shit yourself.

Alcohol is evil.

:D … so glad we decided not to do that experiment with the beer and chainsaws.
 

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I think it should be mandatory for a car license applicant to have ridden a bike for a least a year before being allowed to drive a car.
Another point I'd like to make is that there are millions of people on the roads of the world that shouldn't even be allowed to drive or ride a motorized vehicle.
 
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