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often referred to as a Manx Norton and not a Norton Manx?

Is it just one of those British English to American English oddities, or is there a real reason?

I know, I know. Stupid question of the day...
 

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The Manx Cat is a breed of domestic cat originating on the Isle of Man ;) maybe they adopted that term on the IOM to differentiate a Manx Norton from a Manx Cat and avoid confusion in casual conversation.
… & hopefully this is not the stupid answer of the day :eek:
 

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I don't know that there is any real answer. I always thought it came from describing a bike as prepped for the IOM TT, e.g a "Manx Norton" is a norton built specifically for the Manx race. I have heard to people refer to other bikes as "manx" bikes as well such as a "manx G50" or a "Manx 7R" but they were referring to race bikes specifically prepped for the IOM race. There are people that refer to the norton manx as a specific model in the correct way so really it could just be a holdover slang term.
 

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I don't know there is an answer. Growing up and today when my friends say the word Manx you know what they are talking about. Just like no one say "I have a Matchless G50" or A 7R is never described as an AJS 7R. Two days ago I had an email from a friend in Ireland telling me about an Ulster he had bought. There was no need to say its a Rudge. I'm sure there is an answer but I don't know it.
 

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I don't know that there is any real answer. I always thought it came from describing a bike as prepped for the IOM TT, e.g a "Manx Norton" is a norton built specifically for the Manx race. I have heard to people refer to other bikes as "manx" bikes as well such as a "manx G50" or a "Manx 7R" but they were referring to race bikes specifically prepped for the IOM race. There are people that refer to the norton manx as a specific model in the correct way so really it could just be a holdover slang term.
That would be a great explanation if not for the fact that the Manx is the most successful (arguably) motorcycle ever produced.

BTW, I hear the word Ulster and first I think of a tune by Stiff Little Fingers...

 

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What made a Enfield Royal ?
Pretty sure that was some of that crafty British marketing.

From the wickedly accurate Wikipedia: "In 1893, the Enfield Manufacturing Company Ltd was registered to manufacture bicycles, adopting the branding Royal Enfield"
 

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Prewar cammy Nortons were known as Internationals or "Inters", catalogued by Norton as Norton Internationals.

Post war or rather from 1949 the Manx TT became a World Championship race and Norton commenced cataloguing 350 and 500 cammy Norton's as Manx 40m or Manx 30M (swing arm bikes as 40MA and 30MA) = A Machine built specifically for the Manx. Norton never advertised the bike as Manx Norton similarly they didn't advertise a Dominator Norton either.

Just to make things confusing the Norton number convention was utterly nuts, although the catalogue gave the 500cc Manx a "30M" model number in catalogue the engine and chassis were stamped with 11M! Whilst 350cc Manx known as a "40M" the chassis and engine were stamped with 10M!

Its a sad fact that I have most Norton catalogues from 1947 to 1967 and the Manx is always referred to Manx 40M or 30M never Manx Norton.

I guess its just easier to say MANXNORTON as a three syllable word, the X softening the syllable change.

I think I may have over thought this and best get myself a beer.
 

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Pretty sure that was some of that crafty British marketing.

From the wickedly accurate Wikipedia: "In 1893, the Enfield Manufacturing Company Ltd was registered to manufacture bicycles, adopting the branding Royal Enfield"
I dunno...before manufacturing motorcycles they manufactured bicycles. If they supplied the royal household for 5 years consecutive they could have been issued a Royal Warrant which means they could display the royal mark on their products and call themselves "royal". Unfortunately I can't seem to find anywhere that they received a royal warrant.
 

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I dunno...before manufacturing motorcycles they manufactured bicycles. If they supplied the royal household for 5 years consecutive they could have been issued a Royal Warrant which means they could display the royal mark on their products and call themselves "royal". Unfortunately I can't seem to find anywhere that they received a royal warrant.
Unless they received it for their armaments.

So, it appears the Manx question is pretty much unanswerable and that I can be satisfied with. Still the most mechanically beautiful bike ever produced (IMO).

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Okay, "Royal" came from Royal Small Arms Company, which Enfield supplied gun parts to. So, according to RE's own website, no appointment of the name was awarded.

marketing...
 

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I dunno...before manufacturing motorcycles they manufactured bicycles. If they supplied the royal household for 5 years consecutive they could have been issued a Royal Warrant which means they could display the royal mark on their products and call themselves "royal". Unfortunately I can't seem to find anywhere that they received a royal warrant.
They were given a Royal Warrant by Victoria, they started as an arms manufacturer the Lea Enfield 303 for example. BSA (Birmingham Small Arms) made guns before bike too.
 

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ah, I forgot about the gun business.

still none of that translates to the modern motorcycles they crank out today right?
 

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ah, I forgot about the gun business.

still none of that translates to the modern motorcycles they crank out today right?
Considering India was given their independance from the empire after they were given all the bullet stuff around a decade before Redditch folded...I'd wager nothing.

The only thing they're doing in England now is owning Harris Performance.
 

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I was always given to understand that when they started making Enfields in India they weren't allowed to use the "Royal" in the name.
 

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That would be a great explanation if not for the fact that the Manx is the most successful (arguably) motorcycle ever produced.

BTW, I hear the word Ulster and first I think of a tune by Stiff Little Fingers...

I almost got hired by Ali McMordie once. I ended up taking a different jub but had a few conversations on the phone with him. He's cool as shit. Everything about Stiff Little Fingers is cool as shit. And Alternative Ulster will be in my head for like three days now.
 
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