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Just as it's never too early to plan your next roadrace season, it's not too late to plan your winter race season. Even if you didn't know you had a winter race season.
If you have a motocross bike, trail bike, play bike or "pitbike", you can race it this winter. We'll be running an unsanctioned ice racing series up here in the Burlington, Vermont area in late January and February. Sundays.
Pretty simple format, run what ya brung, with a single screw per knob on the front tire, two screws per knob on the rear. Since this is "unsanctioned" (outlaw if you like), we don't need no steenking full coverage sissy fenders or tethers. It's not that we don't like safety, it's just too complicated for us. (kidding)
About the screws - simple old ice racing screws available at your local bike shop, "Gold Pro-Series". I used 7/16 length last year, took them out when I was done, and rode those tires this summer
Anyway, in the name of safety (or at least to give a nod to it) the actual racing will be Time Trials format, but don't worry, you can still get some wheel to wheel time during open practice.
We're not just turning left either, we'll be plowing a roadrace type layout, as well as a short oval.
Call or e-mail me if you want more info.
Frank Rounds 802-878-9648
I'll be posting again when we get started...if that's OK

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Dang...and I just GAVE away my CB100 ice racer....used once...dropped 40 times :) .....seriously...just yesterday I parked it out front with a "FREE" sign on it....was gone in an hour to a kid down the street. Still had new knobs and screws on it.

I bet the road course is going to be a blast.
Have fun,
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you guys ever see the vid of the guys who race 250cc two stroke sportbikes on the ice? sick stuff. I'll see if I can dig it up.

what if your ice race tires don't have knobs? hwo do you do it then?
 

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The knobby tires offer too many advantages over a road tire, the added depth of the knobs, the void areas between, and presumably the stiffer construction, to make the road tire a consideration.
I guess you can build an ice race tire from a road tire if you use a liner, such as the carcass of an old tire, that will give you the neccesary depth of rubber to safely embed the screws. This is how the pros build ice tires, you screw the liner into the tire from the inside, then install the traction screws from the outside.
The obvious problem is... it's a lot of work, particularly if you only plan on using it a couple times, which is why we are going with the knobbys with single/double formula.

I've seen the ice/road racing Gixxer webpage. Those guys couldn't generate enough interest to stay in business, but it was a helluva cool idea. They were doing it on some huge frozen lakes in Sweden.
They were using built road tires with spikes coming through the tread.
Sick.

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That's the one, and I'm not sure what those bikes in the video are, on their website they showed a GSXR1100 done up. Probably still find it if you do a google on ice racing in Sweden...

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Hi Joe... are you going with me to Daytona?

FR, I may try ice racing. I'll atleast come watch but I think my brother and I want to give it a go. Keep us posted.

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I was thinking if I had a few solid teflon objects, I could bring you.

Are you going? Meister Racing? Whats your deal?

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I think I'm actually scared of Chikor. I mean they are virtually impossible to break. Everytime I open my EZ-Up, I do get a big laugh. I need one of those side deals for a trailer like you have. Then I just need to get a trailer.

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Me too! Last time I saw him he wrenched open my mouth, and pulled out one of my gold teeth, then used his thumb to press the tooth through the bone in a guys forehead, then he snatches out my shinbone and beats my wife half to death with it, then he scrapes a guys face off with a piece of gravel, then he kills a guy with a spoon.

Hey....I'll have your PVL plate done in plenty of time...I still have some of the metal in stock. I think using mine as a template is going to make it a hundred times easier. Right now the lathe is tied up waiting for a new lathe dog so I can taper turn some shaft I'm using to make my exhaust tubing expander that probably won't work, but might.

Yes it's late...and I scored some....you know...medication.
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Thanks for all your efforts on the plate. It really needs to be perfect or I would have made it.

Do you ever get your tooth back?

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aaron, i'll talk to you about it as it gets closer. let me get a little more setttled and i'll let you know. but yes, i do want to go. before i commit though i need a timetable and what its going to cost roughly. i know you like those really expensive hotels and all. and the lube, i know ill go through that.

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Me too! Last time I saw him he wrenched open my mouth, and pulled out one of my gold teeth, then used his thumb to press the tooth through the bone in a guys forehead, then he snatches out my shinbone and beats my wife half to death with it, then he scrapes a guys face off with a piece of gravel, then he kills a guy with a spoon.
Ha ha ha ha, that's rich
 

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Well as promised, winter did hit Vermont. We've got 8" of ice on Shelburne Pond, which was enough for 7 of us to go out for a little practice session. We had a nice pylon road course set up, about an 1/8 mile or so. Wicked fun.
We've decided that we don't need any limitations on screws as I had posted before. You can put as many screws in as your tire can hold. If you have real ice racing tires, fine, use 'em. If you've just got a dirtbike or playbike, buy the Gold Series, or Gold Pro Series screws and go nuts. A typical rear knobby will easily hold 300 screws.
I have about 600 screws total in my XR100 with Cheng Shin C858 enduro tires, I could put more in, but don't really need to.
We'll be at Shelburne Pond again next Sunday, probably start around 2:00 pm.
The State of Vermont considers frozen bodies of water part of the Highway system and therefore it is recommended that vehicles be registered (in some state, yours or ours). We have never been stopped or hassled by the Policia, but it's not inconceivable. Once we're out on Lake Champlain, there's less likelyhood of being stopped. But it ain't frozen yet...

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Sure enough, I mention "the Man" and they show up. Before we even got started. The interesting thing was, it was a Game Warden that did the policing. He claimed, as I knew, that the state considers frozen bodies of water part of the highway system, but also that State Access Areas are paid for and intended for use by fishing and hunting permitted people participating in that activity exclusively. In that light he also gave the boot to skaters, kite skiers and anybody else parked in the access area that wasn't actively engaged in killing something. (Not that I have any problem with killing things, I just didn't think to bring my fishing rod.)
So we went back to our favored spot on a different lake that has a town road access, and ripped around a tight little oval for a good part of the afternoon.
Forecasted warm temps through the week may put racing on hold for Sunday...
More later.

FR
 
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