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Anybody here have any experiance with the 110 amp gasless wire feed welders, like Craftsman or similar? I've about run out of patience with an old cheap Italian made mig welder that I've been using. It seems to have it's good days, and then the next time I want to use it it won't ground properly, or the wire feed gets stuck or some other thing...
Anyway, I don't want to waste money on a cheap new welder if they don't work well, about all I use it for is motorcycle frames or similar size steel. I can't spring for a new Miller.

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Get one of the Lincoln SP100 wire feeders...runs on 110...great little welder, I've had one for years and abused the hell out of it.
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Rosko. Not to start a welder war...but I've had three lincolns and two millers...both the Millers have broken. I still have the Miller Syncrowave 250 TIG, it's works great...but I've had a $500 circuit board burn out on it twice. First time was 3 months out of warranty and they wouldn't cover it.
However...both my millers are/were over ten years old by now. And I've never had a Miller wire feeder. I can say the lincolns are tough as nails and take a ton of abuse.
I agree about the gas...almost all the little Lincolns (and I assume Miller too) will take a "gas kit" for just a little extra...often included already.
Reverse the polarity and you can run either flux core wire (gasless) or solid (gas) wire.
By the way...the Miller TIG hasn't burned out another board in the last eight years....so it might have been a problem with some first run boards or something.
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Good to see that you can read the screen!

I may just lean toward miller since it was the first decent welder I ever used. I've never had any problems w/ the little MIGs or the synchrowaves BUT every machine I've had or used was probably less than 10 years old. When comparing used vs. new the warranty is always a big factor. Now that I think about it ALL the ancient, massive, scratch-start TIGs I've used were Licolns. Built to last. Back when it was HELIARC welding.

FR, Also had a Hobart MIG (135?) that was a real workhorse.

Wait... aren't all these companies owned by the same monster corporation now anyway? Kinda ruins the whole 'brand loyalty' thing. Same machine in each color. So, FR you prefer blue, red or tan? Oh, and ESAB yellow.

(ESAB makes a sweet little MIG/TIG/STICK one peice unit....)



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So I'm not sure about the difference in versatility between gasless and gas, what's the deal? Does gas give you a wider range of material or something?
If I could get into one of the gas welders for under $300 I'd prolly do it.
I wasn't psyched to see that Lincoln was tarting their welders with Nascar stickers now. Don't know if I could have that in my garage.
I do like Yellow...

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buddy of mine bought a lincoln 110 mig wire feed (with gas kit) and it was cheap and really gets the job done. I love that little machine.

If I could afford it I would buy a MIG and TIG but I already have all my welding money invested in oxy-acetelene and still do it the old fashoned way (like my father and the radiator shop taught me). Now where did I put those wire coat hangers......
 

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I tried Oxy welding in the welding class, it was pretty cool, but I could tell it would take lots of practice. I wish I had the time/means to learn that, but the only other problem is I'd probably burn the garage down. It's a small shop, filled with shit that loves to burn, and I'm a little too absent minded...
BOOM!

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I'm looking into getting a lincon 140c. From what i've read gasless can weld thicker material but the weld isn't as nice. You get more splatter with a gasless. If you go gas the welds are nicer and you can weld aluminum and stainless with a 110v machine, but those are in the $500 and up range. You can't weld these materials without gas though. Also remember that you need a tank which go for about $100-$150 for a decent size. I'm looking at about $800 for the 140c, an 80cf tank, and an autodarking helmet.

If you want to go real cheap Harbor Freight sells a 90-amp gasless for $100.
 

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cyberweld.com is going to have the best price, next day free delivery? They sell the tanks too. C20-25 is a good all around gas. Price wise you should be good to go for under $600- gas included. The little 125's go for $300-ish or They have the Hobart 180 on sale!!!! $449 is 1/2 price! Either way it opens up a whole world of fabrication possibilities...You won't regret it for a minute.

So, there you go. Get a little 115v gasser, better welds, more versitile, plugs in anywhere. Gasless, in my opinion, is really only for outdoor apps where your sheilding gas would be unreliable.


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Yep...I only use gasless when I absolutely have to do a remote job somewhere and gas would be a problem. Gasless is good for emergency repairs out in the field. It's also considerably more tolerant of rust, paint and contanmination. But does make kind of an ugly weld, yes, lots of splatter, difficult weld to clean and must be cleaned very very well if you don't want it to corrode even after painting.

Gasless makes nicer, better quality welds in most cases. You can also weld thinner sheet metal. Gasless wire (Flux core) only goes as small as .035"...which is too big for sheet metal like 22ga and below unless you are pretty good with it. But...with a small gas mig...you can still pretty much forget aluminum...they claim it can be done, but I've never seen a wire feed work on aluminum worth a shit without a spool gun. I've tried numerous times with both my wire feeders...I don't have a proper spool gun...the wire just ends up binding up in the cable and it's a mess.

You want a gas type mig cause they can be used either way...with gas and solid wire...or no gas and flux core. I'm sure all the brand names make a decent welder. Pretty sure Lincoln, Miller, ESAB and some of the others are still the original companies, made in the US. Some of the small Hobarts, and the Centurys etc are mass produced foriegn stuff. The older Hobarts were great, heavy duty machines.

It's worth the money to get a decent machine...just save up another couple of weeks and get something reputable.

As for oxy/act...if you know how to use it...it's the most versatile welding system you can use. And probably the best overall for race bike fabrication. It will literally weld anything if you know what you are doing...and you can cut, heat, bend, weld very thin metal, braze and solder. Takes skill and patience.

Lot of freakin typing for a blind man.
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