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to celar up joe on my gearing
Summit 17-34
Daytona 17-33 no wind or 17-34 with wind in your face at the trioval last run to the finish line. 49hp and it wouldn't pull 17-33 into the wind (which is why I lost the 350 race but won the 500 race when I changed the gearing and didn't lead onto the last stretch).
Can't remember what I run at NHIS, but it was probably 17-34 as well, since I don't own a 35 or a 16 front.
I know Stan Lippert always ran the same at Summit and NHIS. He won plenty and so did I. Could I have gone faster with different gearing? Maybe-but I didn't need to.
I'm sure thats no help-but Joe wanted me to post it.
Chris M
Summit 17-34
Daytona 17-33 no wind or 17-34 with wind in your face at the trioval last run to the finish line. 49hp and it wouldn't pull 17-33 into the wind (which is why I lost the 350 race but won the 500 race when I changed the gearing and didn't lead onto the last stretch).
Can't remember what I run at NHIS, but it was probably 17-34 as well, since I don't own a 35 or a 16 front.
I know Stan Lippert always ran the same at Summit and NHIS. He won plenty and so did I. Could I have gone faster with different gearing? Maybe-but I didn't need to.
I'm sure thats no help-but Joe wanted me to post it.
Chris M
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Thanks! It is a great help to see all the different set-ups people run, especially knowing the result! Obviously riding style and feel are a big part of it too... and 49hp can't hurt!
My hope was to have a good idea of the gearing range people are running, I think this thread has laid it out in pretty simple terms.
Chris, just a heads-up.. I will be shooting you an e-mail soon.
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My hope was to have a good idea of the gearing range people are running, I think this thread has laid it out in pretty simple terms.
Chris, just a heads-up.. I will be shooting you an e-mail soon.
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I don't think the point is if a person could win...the point is if a person could go faster with proper gearing. I'd guess that professional racers spend a lot of time on gearing for a reason.
For the beginers out there...just because a guy like Chris, or Turk or someone can win a race with gearing that is not ideal, doesn't mean you should ignore gearing. It means you should pay attention to gearing and pay attention to riding as well as they do. When you have the experience they do riding around problems it's a different story.
Chris, you gotta get tired of Joe saying "wahhh wahhh, they are saying this and that on caferacer, come and post a rebuttal" It's like those old cartoons where you are the big dog and he is the little dog.
Of course your expertise is always welcome...I actually read what you write
JohnnyB
For the beginers out there...just because a guy like Chris, or Turk or someone can win a race with gearing that is not ideal, doesn't mean you should ignore gearing. It means you should pay attention to gearing and pay attention to riding as well as they do. When you have the experience they do riding around problems it's a different story.
Chris, you gotta get tired of Joe saying "wahhh wahhh, they are saying this and that on caferacer, come and post a rebuttal" It's like those old cartoons where you are the big dog and he is the little dog.
Of course your expertise is always welcome...I actually read what you write
JohnnyB
its only because sometimes what he says and what you guys say is soo far off it seems like. and since chris is the only guy i can seriously ask a million questions of, his advice is the advice i take. that and he has won daytona like 4 times. and he throws away more trophies than ill ever win. if if it is just me tt and roper on the grid! it seems like everytime i come home with a trophy, chris decides its time to throw another box full in the dumpser!
chris is right, you only need to go fast enough to win. although i know jb wants to go as fast as possible just to humiliate and belittle his competition.
but jbs right, until you get as fast as guys like chris zach and turk, ya need every little bit you can get.
jc
aaron, send my wheel.
chris is right, you only need to go fast enough to win. although i know jb wants to go as fast as possible just to humiliate and belittle his competition.
but jbs right, until you get as fast as guys like chris zach and turk, ya need every little bit you can get.
jc
aaron, send my wheel.
I like to go as fast as possible because the people I belittle this year may be the people beating me next year. I don't just race other people, I race myself.
In three years I've won every 200gp race in which I didn't crash (three crashes in two races...yes I finished those races). Last year Aaron passed me once....so what was fast enough last year, won't be fast enough this year.
I figure on holding on to the 200gp championship another year. And with about 12-14 bikes on the grid, I can't afford to be slacking.
JohnnyB
In three years I've won every 200gp race in which I didn't crash (three crashes in two races...yes I finished those races). Last year Aaron passed me once....so what was fast enough last year, won't be fast enough this year.
I figure on holding on to the 200gp championship another year. And with about 12-14 bikes on the grid, I can't afford to be slacking.
JohnnyB
wow...aaron by Dr. b? way to go aaron, i missed that and wish i'd seen it. the saving grace in not having a 200gp bike is that i get to watch the races which are usually the best to watch at each event (in my opinion). they are the balls because the racing is close throughout the grid, and because i really am fond of all the players...even you aaron. can't wait for the celebration.
parks
parks
200gp will be fun this year...probably picking up another 3-4 bikes in the class. Probably see average grids of around 12 bikes. I've watched the class slowly pull closer and closer to me each year. Some due to more skill, some due to sorting their bikes. Frank C. is the wild card...any given day he can challenge for the win, or stay back and play with other riders. Last year...I think it was an ULWSV race....lap 7, I'm starting tilt it into turn one and someone on a 350gp bike maybe blows by underneath me...I check up for a moment and start to go back on line....sure enough there's Aaron drafting this guy right underneath me to take the lead, took me half a lap or so to get back around him.
Many times during mid race I could literally reach out and touch other 200gp guys as we exit T3 or the chicane. And if Frank C. is anywhere close to you, you need rear view mirrors because he'll find a hole inside or outside at the strangest times. And Doug Donelan if his bike is on, has no problem running inches away from you if need be. I'm real comfortable with the guys in the class, lots of skill and control with all the guys up front. They race hard, might even lean on you sometimes, but never do anything nasty.
But...sometimes it's a little of a pain, you gotta have your game face on or you are going to get beat. Every time I've ever pulled up a bit thinking I had things wrapped up, someone would be right on my ass before I knew it.
JohnnyB
Many times during mid race I could literally reach out and touch other 200gp guys as we exit T3 or the chicane. And if Frank C. is anywhere close to you, you need rear view mirrors because he'll find a hole inside or outside at the strangest times. And Doug Donelan if his bike is on, has no problem running inches away from you if need be. I'm real comfortable with the guys in the class, lots of skill and control with all the guys up front. They race hard, might even lean on you sometimes, but never do anything nasty.
But...sometimes it's a little of a pain, you gotta have your game face on or you are going to get beat. Every time I've ever pulled up a bit thinking I had things wrapped up, someone would be right on my ass before I knew it.
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This particular thread should be made into a freakin' book. Very helpful. Thanks for passing along the knowledge!
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Those 200gp races are the shit to watch! The grid shouldn't get too packed, some of us need to see y'all dice it up for inspiration! I was on the fence with Monkey at a race where Johnny was leading, he turned to see where Frank was and THERE HE WAS right on his ass I think JB jumped a bit not expecting him to be so close. Pretty freakin' cool to watch.
As for this thread, I think it's great. We have hashed out the basics for setting up a CB race bike so many times, this is the icing on the cake.
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As for this thread, I think it's great. We have hashed out the basics for setting up a CB race bike so many times, this is the icing on the cake.
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Rosko...pretty sure I remember just the race you speak of...I couldn't shake Frank no matter how hard I tried, usually I can put some distance between us if I give it my all for a few corners, but that race was different.
I'm fully aware that the main reason I can stay ahead of the top five guys in the class is because I have motor on them. But that is changing....by this year I think about five bikes will be running with my pistons in them, two other bikes with engines I built, a few of my exhaust systems and PVL setups. It's getting harder to stay ahead of them.
It's a pretty serious bunch, a lot of them really want to win, myself inlcuded.
JohnnyB
I'm fully aware that the main reason I can stay ahead of the top five guys in the class is because I have motor on them. But that is changing....by this year I think about five bikes will be running with my pistons in them, two other bikes with engines I built, a few of my exhaust systems and PVL setups. It's getting harder to stay ahead of them.
It's a pretty serious bunch, a lot of them really want to win, myself inlcuded.
JohnnyB
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joe,
mr. daytona has seen the daytona podium like four times, but only won it once. i was there, i saw it, 2001 i think, it was an amazing race to the finish line where he drafted buff to slingshot in front of him for sportsman 500 win. buff did the same thing to him a few races before to win the 350 sportsman race, mr. daytona took second.
i love mr. daytona!
i love you too joe.
texy
mr. daytona has seen the daytona podium like four times, but only won it once. i was there, i saw it, 2001 i think, it was an amazing race to the finish line where he drafted buff to slingshot in front of him for sportsman 500 win. buff did the same thing to him a few races before to win the 350 sportsman race, mr. daytona took second.
i love mr. daytona!
i love you too joe.
texy
yah, i know. its a joke, aaron and i tease him about winning daytona like 8 times every time we see him. mostly cause chris' byline was always, "well, it was good enough to win daytona" we all know he only won once. but thats 1 more time than most everyone here. and one more time than ill probably win it. when aaron finally send my wheel, im going to change my signature to ....."tex, when are you going to come take this..."
i wont spoil it for everyone yet.
(actually, i really dont care about the you know what)
jc
aaron, send my wheel.
i wont spoil it for everyone yet.
(actually, i really dont care about the you know what)
jc
aaron, send my wheel.
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